Barry, I definitely agree that "Now's the time". I don't understand the proposal. By "added to this hash", do you mean "included in the set of elements that get hashed" or do you mean "appended to the hash value"? Presumedly, the sole purpose in publishing an algorithm to create the hash is to make it possible for two handlers to independently develop the same hash given only the message. Otherwise, a "secret" method could be used to assign a unique identifier to the message. In either case, this suggested change renews my argument that the resulting hash should be tagged, visibly, with a "protocol revision designator". Omitting that designation transforms the chosen calculation method into a "secret". Richard On Apr 18, 2012, at 1:53 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:

Public bug reported:

Currently, we define the X-Message-ID-Hash as the base32 encoding of the sha1 hash of the Message-ID content (sans angle brackets as defined in RFC 5322). The suggestion is made that List-Post value should be added to this hash so as to be able to distinguish cross-posted messages.

This should be fine, and pretty easy. My only concern is that the header name is now a misnomer.

I wonder, is it worth coming up with a better header? Now's the time to do it since it's likely that there are almost no consumers of this standard.

What about `Permalink-Hash` ?

** Affects: mailman Importance: High Status: Confirmed

** Tags: mailman3

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s/List-Post/List-ID/ ** Summary changed: - Add List-Post value to permalink hash input + Add List-ID value to permalink hash input -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Mailman Coders, which is subscribed to GNU Mailman. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/985149 Title: Add List-ID value to permalink hash input To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/985149/+subscriptions

** Description changed: Currently, we define the X-Message-ID-Hash as the base32 encoding of the sha1 hash of the Message-ID content (sans angle brackets as defined in RFC 5322). The suggestion is made that List-ID value should be added to this hash so as to be able to distinguish cross-posted messages. This should be fine, and pretty easy. My only concern is that the - header name is now a misnomer. + header name is now a misnomer. I'm suggesting we change this to + Permalink-Hash. - I wonder, is it worth coming up with a better header? Now's the time to - do it since it's likely that there are almost no consumers of this - standard. + Here is the proposed algorithm for calculating the Permalink-Hash - What about `Permalink-Hash` ? + >>> bare_msgid = msg['Message-ID'][1:-1] # remove the angle brackets + >>> h = sha1(bare_msgid) + >>> list_id = msg['List-ID'][1:-1] # remove angle brackets + >>> h.update(list_id) + >>> permalink_hash = b32encode(h.digest()) + >>> msg.add_header('Permalink-Hash', permalink_hash, version='1') + + Notes: + - If the Message-ID or List-ID values do not both start and end with angle brackets, the entire header value should be used (i.e. only strip off bytes 0 and -1 if they are angle brackets) + - The Permalink-Hash header gets a "version=1" parameter to indicate the version of this spec the header conforms to. + - RFC 5064 defines the Archived-At header, which mm3 already supports. It is suggested that this header would use the permalink hash as the URI directly to this message in the specified archive. + - Some people suggest that the List-ID be explicit in the Permalink-Hash value. I would reject this on the grounds that the value should be opaque. If this information is needed, it should be added to the Archived-At header. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Mailman Coders, which is subscribed to GNU Mailman. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/985149 Title: Permalink-Hash: header specification To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/985149/+subscriptions

This bug has been moved to the new gitlab repo here: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/15 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Mailman Coders, which is subscribed to GNU Mailman. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/985149 Title: Permalink-Hash: header specification To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/985149/+subscriptions