[Bug 736849] [NEW] Sender header change to improve Outlook
Public bug reported: FAQ 2.3 describes problems with Outlook's ugly display of Sender "on behalf of" From, giving the example as "From listname- bounces@mailman.server.com On behalf of fred@poster.domain.com". But Outlook prefers to show the real name and hide the Internet address, when a real name is present. Most commonly the From would be "From: Fred Example <fred@poster.domain.com>" and as a result Outlook would display "From listname-bounces@mailman.server.com On behalf of Fred Example". If Mailman wrote the Sender header with a real name Outlook would show the name there too. For example, if the list name (local part) were inserted, thus "Sender: listname <listname-bounces@mailman.server.com>", then Outlook would display "From listname on behalf of Fred Example" which is much better in appearance and still complies with using a Sender header. RFC 2822 allows Sender to contain a real name. sender = "Sender:" mailbox CRLF mailbox = name-addr / addr-spec name-addr = [display-name] angle-addr ** Affects: mailman Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Mailman Coders, which is subscribed to GNU Mailman. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/736849 Title: Sender header change to improve Outlook
This seems like a great idea. Why didn't someone think of this years ago? ** Changed in: mailman Importance: Undecided => Medium ** Changed in: mailman Status: New => Triaged ** Changed in: mailman Milestone: None => 2.1.15 ** Changed in: mailman Assignee: (unassigned) => Mark Sapiro (msapiro) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Mailman Coders, which is subscribed to GNU Mailman. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/736849 Title: Sender header change to improve Outlook
** Changed in: mailman Status: Triaged => Fix Committed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Mailman Coders, which is subscribed to GNU Mailman. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/736849 Title: Sender header change to improve Outlook
** Changed in: mailman Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Mailman Coders, which is subscribed to GNU Mailman. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/736849 Title: Sender header change to improve Outlook To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/736849/+subscriptions
after an update of mailman the sender in header is now: Sender: "Svntest-26072012-2" <svntest-26072012-2-bounces@maroon.rgb> before it was Sender: <svntest-26072012-2-bounces@maroon.rgb> can i switch that on/off somewhere, because of some procmail rules i need the old state -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Mailman Coders, which is subscribed to GNU Mailman. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/736849 Title: Sender header change to improve Outlook To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/736849/+subscriptions
found it in: /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py Line: 378 #msg['Sender'] = '"%s" <%s>' % (mlist.real_name, envsender) to: msg['Sender'] = '%s' % (envsender) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Mailman Coders, which is subscribed to GNU Mailman. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/736849 Title: Sender header change to improve Outlook To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/736849/+subscriptions
I think many people use the sender-field in the simple format with the addr-spec address alone (without "<" and ">") for filters in their mailclients (i know that there is a listid)... With this "fix" the mailman-admin has no chance to set this option on or off and many people will wonder why the filter is not working anymore. i think both is legal with RFC2822 -- i just want to keep that in mind because in my setup i had some problems with the new sender field -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Mailman Coders, which is subscribed to GNU Mailman. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/736849 Title: Sender header change to improve Outlook To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/736849/+subscriptions
While I am sympathetic to the fact that this change impacted some user defined filtering settings in procmail or your MUA, at least this was something that you had set up yourself and were able to fix yourself. The underlying issue of the display of From: information by MS Outlook in the presence of a Sender: header is not something that a user can control other than by changing to a different MUA which may not even be an option. In any case, the change has been released, and changing it back at this point could be just as disruptive. Also, I'm not sure that a list or site admin is in any better position than I am to determine how much user impact this change might have, and I'm not about to start adding a whole list of "make this feature work the old way" list settings or list-member settings as I think that would be even more disruptive in the long run, and since Mailman is open source, the site admin always has the option to back out the change. Do you have any actual statistics on how many people's procmail recipes or MUA filters are impacted by this change. I suspect it may not be nearly as many as you imply. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Mailman Coders, which is subscribed to GNU Mailman. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/736849 Title: Sender header change to improve Outlook To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/736849/+subscriptions
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mathias gebbe