Mailman 3 October 1998 - Mailman-Developers

Problem accessing cvs repository as anoncvs
by Tomas Fasth Oct. 10, 1998

Oct. 10, 1998

I just tried an update from anoncvs(a)cvs.python.org and got the following: cvs server: cannot open /projects/cvsroot/mailman/templates/help.txt,v: Permission denied cvs server: cannot open /projects/cvsroot/mailman/templates/help.txt,v: Permission denied cvs server: templates/help.txt is no longer in the repository Do anyone know what caused this? As I can understand from the latest postings to mailman-checkin Scott is the last one making a commit to help.txt. Maybe something got messed up then. Tomas

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confirmations/approval of subscriptions
by Scott Oct. 10, 1998

Oct. 10, 1998

currently, things are a little weird with the setup for confirmations/approval of subscription. particularly, there is an option on the privacy admin page that allows admins to set web based subscriptions without any approval whatsoever, but it doesn't work. Also, the confirmation mechanism is invoked even when subscriptions need approval. I'd like to try to straighten this stuff out and would like to know how others think all this should work. my personal take on the matter is that: 1) KISS - web based subscription and email based subscription should act identical to each other -- meaning that there would be only one set of configuration options for the admin instead of two. 2) all subscriptions that don't need to undergo administrative approval should go through the confirmation step. Supscriptions that do need administrative approval should not need to go through a confirmation step. If people (other than malicious users ;) want for some reason to have the option of completely open subscription (without confirmation or admin approval), then there should be a site configuration variable that determines whether or not completely open subscriptions can take place. the purpose behind this last idea is to allow site admins to completely disable the possibility of mass subscribes without the consent of the subscriber (this happens quite frequently at a majordomo site i administor). scott

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mass subscribe from admin cgi
by Scott Oct. 10, 1998

Oct. 10, 1998

I've seen that on the TODO list is some way of making the admin cgi fork whenever it does the mass subscription. the idea is not make the cgi hang for too long. Is there any way of still getting the listing of successfully subscribed and error messages when doing this? scott

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posters variable
by Scott Oct. 9, 1998

Oct. 9, 1998

currently, in mailman when you have anyone listed in the posters setting, there are no options to let people set whether the posters should automatically include the digest and/or regular subscribers. majordomo lets you do this (although with some awkward syntax -- see mj's restrict_post). perhaps we could add 2 more boolean variables like posters_auto_include_digest_subscribers and posters_auto_include_regular_subscribers to address this. Even though it's not really common, i don't believe it's that unusual for a list to allow only its subscribers plus a handful of other people to post. scott

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Re: [Mailman-Users] archiving and piper
by John Viega Oct. 9, 1998

Oct. 9, 1998

Darren, The version of Mailman in the CVS tree has integrated archiving support again, finally, thanks to Dragon and Scott. It'll be in the next release. I think that's going to be the easiest path to archives, to upgrade when that release comes out. There's a new release around the corner; we need to integrate some patches from Nagy, and then test it to make sure it works out of the box to some reasonable degree. I've got time dedicated to that this weekend, and during the week next week. So I'd say there'll be a new release with archiving in it by the middle of next week, perhaps earlier. John On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 02:40:23PM -0400, Darren Henderson wrote: > > Does anyone have any pointers to info on configuring/installing piper and > getting it working with mailman. Perhaps I'm overlooking it in the > distributions I pulled in or perhaps I'm looking to hard and its simpler > then I'm thinking it should be:) > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Darren Henderson darren(a)jasper.somtel.com > > Help fight junk e-mail, visit http://www.cauce.org/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users(a)python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

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Document handling
by Scott Oct. 7, 1998

Oct. 7, 1998

I've been working on making mailman work with built in archiving from The Dragon De Monsyne's web archiving patches, and have stumbled on something that definitely seems a good thing to discuss. His patches use DocumentTemplate, a large and free and fairly mature document handling mechanism from digital creations (www.digicool.com). While DocumentTemplate supports lots of stuff with document handling that the current mailman distribution does not support, there are some issues in incorporating it. First of all, I'd like very much to see mailman have a single uniform document management interface. So this leads to the obvious question: should mailman use it's current mechanism accross the board or should it use DocumentTemplate, or something else? Here's some thinking out loud on the top: DocumentTemplate is in many ways a better document interface. It supplies conditional sections, expression evaluation, list iteration, variable replacement, etc. DocumentTemplate is large (20 files currently). It's size works fine in the context of producing archiving files, but personally, I'd be reluctant to use it in cgi's because I've found it's loading time to be pretty slow, and I've found lots of mailman cgi's a bit sluggish. Personally, I'd use it only with pcgi or some cgi accelerator. DocumentTemplate may not work well as a replacement for htmlformat because of all the mailman-specific stuff in the htmlformat module. Whatever is decided, it'd be nice to consider that there's probably a good number of people interested in builtin web archiving, and so some provision may have to be made to make that available before a full document solution is arrived at if a full document solution would take a while. scott

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Cookie error?
by Balazs Nagy Oct. 7, 1998

Oct. 7, 1998

Hiyas, Recently I noticed that my mailman's www admin tool didn't work: Apache says error 500 (permature error before script headers or sort of). The bug is in line 65 (admin.py). If I put return before Cookie constructor, it works well (without security): if os.environ.has_key('HTTP_COOKIE'): -> c = Cookie.Cookie( os.environ['HTTP_COOKIE'] ) if c.has_key(list_name + "-admin"): OK, i've done with this but I dunno anything about cookies. What bug is this? -- Linux Supporting Center -- Red Hat Qmail packages -- http://lsc.kva.hu PGP 0x1DE3631D / A8 B4 92 EE 1F 55 27 C8 86 64 9C 42 41 A4 BD B8

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] CVS / Queuing problem
by Ken Manheimer Oct. 6, 1998

Oct. 6, 1998

On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Bavo De Ridder wrote: > I run a site with the mailman listmanager. I run several lists (10-15). > I recently encountered the problem with the duplicates. For my site this > is not only annoying but also inacceptable! > > I read in the archives that Scott has checked in some changes to the CVS > to adres this problem (the files contact_transport, Mailman/Utils.py, > Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py). This was on October 6. (Yay scott, btw!! I'm looking forward to hearing about results from exercising the revisions...) > Can I access the CVS to get these files? Will it address my problem? Is > there anyone to send me those (updated files), if I can't get at the CVS? Visit http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-checkins - it has instructions. Ken Manheimer klm(a)python.org 703 620-8990 x268 (orporation for National Research |nitiatives # If you appreciate Python, consider joining the PSA! # # <http://www.python.org/psa/>. #

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Duplicate mails
by Bavo De Ridder Oct. 6, 1998

Oct. 6, 1998

Hello, I replaced the files Utils.py OutgoindQueue.py and contact_transport. Everything seems to work as it should, no duplicate mails anymore. I haven't tested that much, so I will keep this list informed. Thanks for the quick respons!!! Bavo De Ridder

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CVS / Queuing problem
by Bavo De Ridder Oct. 6, 1998

Oct. 6, 1998

Hello, I run a site with the mailman listmanager. I run several lists (10-15). I recently encountered the problem with the duplicates. For my site this is not only annoying but also inacceptable! I read in the archives that Scott has checked in some changes to the CVS to adres this problem (the files contact_transport, Mailman/Utils.py, Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py). This was on October 6. Can I access the CVS to get these files? Will it address my problem? Is there anyone to send me those (updated files), if I can't get at the CVS? Thanks Bavo De Ridder

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