Mailman 3 November 1998 - Mailman-Developers

b6 in and working...except archive access :(
by Corbett J. Klempay Nov. 16, 1998

Nov. 16, 1998

Hey all..I just got b6 in, and after some finangling with the cgi-gid (for some reason, I have to tell it the number 99 instead of the word nobody (a look in /etc/group confirms that nobody == 99)..not sure what the story is with that, but it works now, so I'm not too worried) Anyway, everything seems to be working fine...except accessing the archives. I was upgrading from b5, so I ran 'make update' and it converted everything all fine and dandy. When I try to link to a list's archives (public archives; don't have any private ones set up), I get Forbidden You don't have permission to access /pipermail/tm on this server. I was sure to add the ScriptAlias line to Apache's srm.conf file, so that's there. The permissions on the /home/mailman/archives/ dirs look like: [root@chimera archives]# ls -l total 2 drwxrws--x 10 root mailman 1024 Nov 7 20:06 private drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 1024 Nov 7 20:06 public [root@chimera archives]# Any ideas? Other than this, all seems kosher! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Corbett J. Klempay Quote of the Week: http://www2.acm.jhu.edu/~cklempay "Conscience is the inner voice that warns up that someone may be looking." PGP Fingerprint: 7DA2 DB6E 7F5E 8973 A8E7 347B 2429 7728 76C2 BEA1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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[Fwd: Cron <mailman@cartman> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/install/cron/senddigests]
by Greg Stein Nov. 15, 1998

Nov. 15, 1998

Anybody ever see this one? thx -g -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] mime decoded mail in the archieves?
by Tomas Fasth Nov. 15, 1998

Nov. 15, 1998

Hi Peter! There is a module called 'mimetools' which is part of standard python distribution. It's capable of parsing multipart messages and decode encoded headers and text parts. I don't know if it's already in use by Mailman. If not, it been there for a while waiting to be utilized. ;-) Tomas -----Original Message----- From: Peter Gervai <grin(a)tolna.net> To: MailMan Dev List <mailman-developers(a)python.org> Date: den 13 november 1998 23:31 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] mime decoded mail in the archieves? >The new beta is fantastic, I mean, hey, it works even for me! :-)) > >Archieving is pretty, but I realized that it does not handle the >MIME-encoded accented letters at all (or, at least, not when converting them >from the old archives). Since half of the users is not able to use a decent >mail software they don't use iso8859-2 but mime-encodeded iso8859-1: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Text looks like: "jelen=E9s=E9nek feladatait szervezi, ir=E1ny=EDtja" > >I - in my infinite lameness - suspect that writing a mime decoder wouldn't >be impossible. Could it be _simply_ done? It could be one step closer to >i18n but I don't know how much demand is there for that.... (Probably >national language archives should face the same problem?) > >cya, >grin > >_______________________________________________ >Mailman-Developers maillist - Mailman-Developers(a)python.org >http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers >

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/home/mailman/cron/senddigests
by Corbett J. Klempay Nov. 14, 1998

Nov. 14, 1998

Anyone seen this? I've been getting this every day for weeks. (happened with b5 and now with b6) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Corbett J. Klempay Quote of the Week: http://www2.acm.jhu.edu/~cklempay "Conscience is the inner voice that warns up that someone may be looking." PGP Fingerprint: 7DA2 DB6E 7F5E 8973 A8E7 347B 2429 7728 76C2 BEA1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:00:02 -0500 From: Cron Daemon <root(a)chimera.acm.jhu.edu> To: mailman(a)chimera.acm.jhu.edu Subject: Cron <mailman@chimera> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/senddigests Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 37, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 34, in main list.SendDigestIfAny() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 194, in SendDigestIfAny self.SendDigestOnSize(0) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 206, in SendDigestOnSize self.SendDigest() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 288, in SendDigest self.DeliverToList(d.Present(mime=0), File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py", line 133, in DeliverToList status = cmdproc.close() IOError: (10, 'No child processes')

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scaling issues
by Scott Nov. 14, 1998

Nov. 14, 1998

I'm setting up a list for mailman that has 27k subscribers. Just wanted to note that the first scaling issue i ran into was mass subscribing the members. A process calling "ApprovedAddMember" for each member was called, ran for many many many hours on a solaris sparc box with 128m ram and only made it through 6k subscribers. so i added them by hand. This should be interesting, but hey, after it's all over, we will all know exactly what should be done to make mailman more scalable. scott

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accents in 'terse listname' and debug question
by Peter Gervai Nov. 13, 1998

Nov. 13, 1998

Sorry, it's me again :) 1) Something weird happens when I enter accented characters into some fields, and re-edit them some times. Like I entered accents at the 'terse list description' and after 2-3 edit (I didn't watch) accents became \\236 and like... something to fix...? 2) I still don't know Python deep enough to decide whether this is possible, but it would be really nice that when the program panics with error, it would check the last line for variables and would dump their values as well. If it's an interpreted language it could possibly be done, and would really help to see what happened. (This occured to me when I looked with a dumb face at the message "Assertion error", being unable to decide what happened because didn't know the contents of the variables.) As always, these are just ideas to consider or discard, and no way demands. :) bye, grin

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mime decoded mail in the archieves?
by Peter Gervai Nov. 13, 1998

Nov. 13, 1998

The new beta is fantastic, I mean, hey, it works even for me! :-)) Archieving is pretty, but I realized that it does not handle the MIME-encoded accented letters at all (or, at least, not when converting them from the old archives). Since half of the users is not able to use a decent mail software they don't use iso8859-2 but mime-encodeded iso8859-1: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Text looks like: "jelen=E9s=E9nek feladatait szervezi, ir=E1ny=EDtja" I - in my infinite lameness - suspect that writing a mime decoder wouldn't be impossible. Could it be _simply_ done? It could be one step closer to i18n but I don't know how much demand is there for that.... (Probably national language archives should face the same problem?) cya, grin

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Re: [Mailman-Users] admin requests on the lists
by Gergely Madarasz Nov. 13, 1998

Nov. 13, 1998

On Thu, 12 Nov 1998, Scott wrote: > is the administrivia check turned on? Yes. > > if so, then please forward examples of administrivia that found their > way through to mailman-developers, we'll make it better. Here is a very simple example: Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:26:27 -0100 (GMT) From: <doesnt really matter> Reply-To: linux-kezdo(a)mlf.linux.rulez.org To: linux-kezdo(a)mlf.linux.rulez.org Subject: [lk] (no subject) subscribe _______________________________________________________ linux-kezdo lista - linux-kezdo(a)mlf.linux.rulez.org http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-kezdo > > On Thu, Nov 12, 1998 at 04:13:50PM +0100, Gergely Madarasz wrote: > | Hello! > | > | I've upgraded to 1.0b6 and it seems that the admin request filtering > | doesn't work. For example unsubscribe messages to the list don't get > | caught. Any ideas ? > | > | -- > | Madarasz Gergely gorgo(a)caesar.elte.hu gorgo(a)linux.rulez.org > | It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry. > | Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni. > | HuLUG: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/ > | > | > | > | ------------------------------------------------------ > | Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users(a)python.org > | http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > | > -- Madarasz Gergely gorgo(a)caesar.elte.hu gorgo(a)linux.rulez.org It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry. Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni. HuLUG: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/

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gate_news crashed my machine
by Gergely Madarasz Nov. 12, 1998

Nov. 12, 1998

Hello! I just upgraded to 1.0b6, everything worked fine, except for this little thing... pushed the load up to >180, nothing worked after... :( So, exactly what is the fix for gate_news ? Don't tell me to buy a faster machine :) Thanks, Greg -- Madarasz Gergely gorgo(a)caesar.elte.hu gorgo(a)linux.rulez.org It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry. Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni. HuLUG: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Internationalization
by Francois Bedard Nov. 10, 1998

Nov. 10, 1998

Hello Peter, Peter Gervai wrote: > It wasn't clear whether you are intended to translate the program > as a whole or making it possible to be able to choose the supported > language on a list-by-list basis (plug a language to the list). We'd like for the users and maintainers of a list to be able to function entirely in their own language if they so desire. So, whatever it takes to achieve that... It would probably be best if maintainers could specify default and alternative languages for each list, and if as well individual users could select the language of their choice among the alternatives offered. > It would be really nice to have the possibility to host lists > with national language interface as well as english (or probably > other) language based lists as well on the same installation. Indeed. Many countries have more than one official language (not that it has to be official); Switzerland has four and is not an extreme case at that. As more and more people get to join or offer mailing lists, not all of them computer-savvy, it would be nice if they could do so in the most comfortable of ways. A web interface is certainly a good step in this direction; support for alternative languages would definitely be another. Francois Bedard

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