Mailman 3 July 1998 - Mailman-Developers

Reposting Form Data
by Barry A. Warsaw 31 Jul '98

31 Jul '98

Maybe someone out there with more HTTP experience than me can answer this question. If I have a CGI script that issues a redirect using the `Location:' header, I can get the Web browser to go to the relocated page with no problem. It even still shows the original URL in browser. Cool so far. However, if what I'm doing is posting some form data, the browser gets redirected, but the form data doesn't get reposted to the new URL. Verified under NS4/Unix and IE3. This is a real pain for something I'm trying to add to Mailman. I'm sure there's some haughty security justification for the non-reposting of form data, so the natural question is: can I get around this? :-) Thanks, -Barry

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Potential gotcha
by Barry A. Warsaw 31 Jul '98

31 Jul '98

Corbett has been very kind in allowing me access to his machine to debug his problems. Since others have reported similar problems, I want to give you a heads up. Please double check that the programs in /home/mailman/cgi-bin are group owned by `mailman' and have the group sticky bit set. This is imperative; Mailman just won't work without this. I know need to figure out why the install procedure is broken on some systems, and how the driver script can better report and recover from these problems. Thanks Corbett! -Barry

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/tmp/mailman.log
by Corbett J. Klempay 31 Jul '98

31 Jul '98

Barry and the crew: I just put in the new driver a bit ago...and went to www2.acm.jhu.edu/mailman/listinfo /tmp/mailman.log showed up then...this is what it contained: [cklempay@chimera /tmp]$ cat mailman.log ===== import sys run_main() import os sys.path.insert() import StampedLogger import MultiLogger instantiating logger instantiating multi should now get normal error reporting [cklempay@chimera /tmp]$ Corbett

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Anyone else seeing this?
by Corbett J. Klempay 30 Jul '98

30 Jul '98

Ok, this is really 2 messages chained together...it seems John is soon to be a dad (or maybe a dad again, not sure actually :), so he's a little busy :) Any assistance is _greatly_ appreciated...the other ACM guys kept whining because the list is down, so I just set up a temp alias to quiet them until I get this sorted out :) --- Is it supposed to be the case where you have to be root to create a new list? I thought that in my 1.0b4 install, I had created new lists as cklempay...but if I do it as anything other than root now (with b5), I get this: [mailman@chimera bin]$ newlist test Enter the email of the person running the list: cklempay(a)acm.jhu.edu Enter the initial list password: snoop Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/bin/newlist", line 133, in ? raise SystemExit(main(sys.argv)) File "/home/mailman/bin/newlist", line 83, in main newlist.Create(list_name, owner_mail, pw) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 518, in Create Utils.MakeDirTree(os.path.join(mm_cfg.LIST_DATA_DIR, name)) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 276, in MakeDirTree os.mkdir(made_part, perms) os.error: (13, 'Permission denied') [mailman@chimera bin]$ I don't know if this is the way it is supposed to be and maybe I had it working before only because maybe I had messed up some permissions... I had been having a LOT of problems getting it to let me access any of the pages (all of the logs turned up 'Premature end of script headers' or in some configurations I'd get a Internal Server Error). In my current state, I can view www2.acm.jhu.edu/mailman/listinfo but if I su to root and do a newlist to create a test list, I get this if I try to access www2.acm.jhu.edu/mailman/admin/test : We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Content-type: text/html We're sorry, we hit a bug! Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even generate a useful traceback. Please report this to the Mailman administrator at this site. I'm not sure, but I thought I remembered someone mentioning something like this earlier today too. One other quick (and sort of unrelated question)...I just recursively zipped up my /home/mailman/lists subtree before killing b4...since my aliases are still in place (didn't touch those), can I just extract them to their original places and have it work? Or does Mailman keep other administrative data about that it won't have for these lists if I create them that way? ---next msg----

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Cron <mailman@chimera> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/senddigests (fwd)
by Corbett J. Klempay 30 Jul '98

30 Jul '98

I am getting this as well...I followed the permissions stuff to the letter...? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:00:00 -0400 From: Cron Daemon <root(a)chimera.acm.jhu.edu> To: mailman(a)chimera.acm.jhu.edu Subject: Cron <mailman@chimera> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/senddigests Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 37, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 31, in main list = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 60, in __init__ self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 587, in Load self.CheckVersion(dict) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 611, in CheckVersion self.Save() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 558, in Save os.link(fname, fname_last) os.error: (13, 'Permission denied') ---end #2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Corbett J. Klempay Quote of the Week: http://www2.acm.jhu.edu/~cklempay "Talent develops in quiet places, character in the full current of human life." PGP Fingerprint: 7DA2 DB6E 7F5E 8973 A8E7 347B 2429 7728 76C2 BEA1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Cron <mailman@chimera> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/senddigests (fwd)
by Corbett J. Klempay 30 Jul '98

30 Jul '98

I am getting this as well...I followed the permissions stuff to the letter...? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:00:00 -0400 From: Cron Daemon <root(a)chimera.acm.jhu.edu> To: mailman(a)chimera.acm.jhu.edu Subject: Cron <mailman@chimera> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/senddigests Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 37, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 31, in main list = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 60, in __init__ self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 587, in Load self.CheckVersion(dict) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 611, in CheckVersion self.Save() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 558, in Save os.link(fname, fname_last) os.error: (13, 'Permission denied') ---end #2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Corbett J. Klempay Quote of the Week: http://www2.acm.jhu.edu/~cklempay "Talent develops in quiet places, character in the full current of human life." PGP Fingerprint: 7DA2 DB6E 7F5E 8973 A8E7 347B 2429 7728 76C2 BEA1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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hehe...typo
by Corbett J. Klempay 29 Jul '98

29 Jul '98

Just to clear any confusion, I of course meant mm_cfg.py in that first line of the last message... :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Corbett J. Klempay Quote of the Week: http://www2.acm.jhu.edu/~cklempay "Talent develops in quiet places, character in the full current of human life." PGP Fingerprint: 7DA2 DB6E 7F5E 8973 A8E7 347B 2429 7728 76C2 BEA1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Oddities
by Corbett J. Klempay 29 Jul '98

29 Jul '98

Well, I left those settings in mm_cfy.py that I copied in, and ended up also changing the import to have it import from Defaults.py (so I guess that's redundant, but it shouldn't hurt anything, eh?). Anyway, the annoying 5 minute cron messages have stopped...so I guess that part is kosher now. However two problems remain: - Test messages sent to one of the lists from my previous 1.0b4 install are just getting swallowed up and never getting sent to the list - Going to www2.acm.jhu.edu/mailman/listinfo still gives an Internal Server Error...and the /var/log/httpd/error_log file lists this at the end: [Wed Jul 29 10:43:32 1998] access to /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo failed for 1 28.220.223.50, reason: Premature end of script headers Any ideas? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Corbett J. Klempay Quote of the Week: http://www2.acm.jhu.edu/~cklempay "Talent develops in quiet places, character in the full current of human life." PGP Fingerprint: 7DA2 DB6E 7F5E 8973 A8E7 347B 2429 7728 76C2 BEA1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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The diffs
by Corbett J. Klempay 29 Jul '98

29 Jul '98

Here's what diff spit out when I did: diff Defaults.py mm_defaults.py ---- 19c19 < """Distributed default settings for significant Mailman config variables. --- > """Distributed default settings for significant mailman config variables. 47,52d46 < # 1 to use crypt for passwords instead of md5. < # Crypt may not work on all python installs. < # Don't change this value once you have lists running... < # In fact, you should just let configure set this one and leave it alone. < USE_CRYPT = 1 < 86,92d79 < # This variable controlls whether monthly password reminders are sent. < DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 1 < # Send welcome messages to new users? Probably should keep this set to 1. < DEFAULT_SEND_WELCOME_MSG = 1 < # Wipe sender information, and make it look like the list-admin < # address sends all messages < DEFAULT_ANONYMOUS_LIST = 0 128,130c115,122 < DEFAULT_PLAIN_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS = ['message', 'date', 'from', < 'subject', 'to', 'cc', < 'reply-to', 'organization'] --- > # We're only retaining the text file, an external pipermail (andrew's > # newest version) is pointed at the retained text copies. > ## # 0 = never, 1 = daily, 2 = hourly: > ## DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_UPDATE_FREQUENCY = 2 > ## # 0 = yearly, 1 = monthly > ## DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_VOLUME_FREQUENCY = 0 > ## # Retain a flat text mailbox of postings as well as the fancy archives? > ## DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_RETAIN_TEXT_COPY = 1 152a145,165 > # Enumeration for types of configurable variables in Mailman. > Toggle = 1 > Radio = 2 > String = 3 > Text = 4 > Email = 5 > EmailList = 6 > Host = 7 > Number = 8 > > # could add Directory and URL > > > # Bitfield for user options > Digests = 0 # handled by other mechanism, doesn't need a flag. > DisableDelivery = 1 > DontReceiveOwnPosts = 2 # Non-digesters only > AcknowlegePosts = 4 > DisableMime = 8 # Digesters only > ConcealSubscription = 16 > 170c183 < PYTHON = '/usr/local/bin/python' --- > PYTHON = '/usr/bin/python' 178,202d190 < # Don't change anything from here down unless you know what you're doing... < < < # Enumeration for types of configurable variables in Mailman. < Toggle = 1 < Radio = 2 < String = 3 < Text = 4 < Email = 5 < EmailList = 6 < Host = 7 < Number = 8 < < # could add Directory and URL < < < # Bitfield for user options < Digests = 0 # handled by other mechanism, doesn't need a flag. < DisableDelivery = 1 < DontReceiveOwnPosts = 2 # Non-digesters only < AcknowlegePosts = 4 < DisableMime = 8 # Digesters only < ConcealSubscription = 16 < < 216,219c204 < VERSION = '1.0b5' < < # Data file version number < DATA_FILE_VERSION = 3 --- > VERSION = '1.0b4' --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Corbett J. Klempay Quote of the Week: http://www2.acm.jhu.edu/~cklempay "Talent develops in quiet places, character in the full current of human life." PGP Fingerprint: 7DA2 DB6E 7F5E 8973 A8E7 347B 2429 7728 76C2 BEA1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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more stuff, it seems...
by Corbett J. Klempay 29 Jul '98

29 Jul '98

I made the USE_CRYPT = 1 change...and now the 5 minute cron gives me: Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:55:02 -0400 From: Cron Daemon <root(a)chimera.acm.jhu.edu> To: mailman(a)chimera.acm.jhu.edu Subject: Cron <mailman@chimera> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/gate_news Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 45, in ? list = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 60, in __init__ self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 587, in Load self.CheckVersion(dict) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 602, in CheckVersion if (self.data_version >= mm_cfg.DATA_FILE_VERSION and AttributeError: DATA_FILE_VERSION Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 45, in ? list = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 60, in __init__ self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 587, in Load self.CheckVersion(dict) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 602, in CheckVersion if (self.data_version >= mm_cfg.DATA_FILE_VERSION and AttributeError: DATA_FILE_VERSION Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 45, in ? list = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 60, in __init__ self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 587, in Load Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 45, in ? list = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 60, in __init__ self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 587, in Load self.CheckVersion(dict) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 602, in CheckVersion if (self.data_version >= mm_cfg.DATA_FILE_VERSION and AttributeError: DATA_FILE_VERSION self.CheckVersion(dict) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 602, in CheckVersion if (self.data_version >= mm_cfg.DATA_FILE_VERSION and AttributeError: DATA_FILE_VERSION John: I have zero diff experience...if you gave me a command line or something, I'd run it (or whatever else) for ya if you need...I just don't want to horse around with it for a long time when a) I'm not sure if I'd be using it right and b) I'm at my new internship and am sneaking out through the corporate firewall to get here :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Corbett J. Klempay Quote of the Week: http://www2.acm.jhu.edu/~cklempay "Talent develops in quiet places, character in the full current of human life." PGP Fingerprint: 7DA2 DB6E 7F5E 8973 A8E7 347B 2429 7728 76C2 BEA1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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