Mailman-Developers June 1999

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Performance problems and MailMan
by J C Lawrence 09 Jul '99

09 Jul '99

I believe I've found out how to reliably reproduce the performance problemsI've noticed here at VA and at Kanga.Nu, and which Barry and another (forget name, sorry) have observed as well: 1) Create a moderated list. 2) Subscribe 200 addresses to the list (can be bogus addresses but the local MTA must accept them) 3) Post at least 30 messages of an average of at least 2K size to the list. 4) Go to the moderation page, approve every message, and hit submit. 5) Watch your system load peg and stay there for an obscenely long time. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw(a)kanga.nu ---------(*) Linux/IA64 - Work: claw(a)varesearch.com ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ...

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automatically generated password too complicated?
by Gerhard Gonter 07 Jul '99

07 Jul '99

Some of our users complained about the automatically generated passwords that are sent out when a list is imported or if an admin subscribes someone. Especially the ` and ^ characters are major problem because these may be treated as parts of composite characters in some enviroments (` followed by a might be displayed as the same character as à in HTML) and so on. Also, upper case characters impose an extra mental burden ;) Anyway, I modified our Mailman which now has a function (method?) Utils.GetRandomPassword(length) which generates passwords of the given length with a restricted alphabet, namely: a-x, 2-9, excluding characters o and l as well as digits 0 and 1 which may be confused and y, z (german keyboards swap these, in the past, this cause trouble too ;) I would like to offer this patch unless there are good reasons why this should be avoided. The main concern is certainly a higher risk to crack such passwords (only 30 possibilities instead of 64) but this could easly be matched by using 5 character passwords: possibilities strength --------------------------- 64^4 = 16777216 1 30^4 = 810000 0.05 30^5 = 24300000 1.45 As far as I have seen, this patch involves replacing certain calls to GetRandomSeed in a few places such as: bin/add_members, Mailman/Cgi/admin.py, Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py Any comment? +gg -- Gerhard.Gonter(a)wu-wien.ac.at Fax: +43/1/31336/702 g.gonter(a)ieee.org Zentrum fuer Informatikdienste, Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Austria

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Re: i18n
by Fabio Dorival Victorelli 30 Jun '99

30 Jun '99

Hello all, > We've made today the i18n just for one file "bin/newlist" and toke > some minutes. It's too simple. > You just must apply the attached file "newlist.path.i18n" for > bin/newlist and generate "mailman.mo" file, like: > msgfmt -o mailman.mo mailman.po > After, You just copy to /usr/share/locale/$LANG/mailman.mo > for LANG=pt_BR: > cp mailman.mo /usr/share/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo > > It's working fine. I'd like to know if there are somebody working in i18n? thks fabio(a)conectiva.com.br

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patch candidate for MailList.Save()
by Barry A. Warsaw 30 Jun '99

30 Jun '99

A number of people have experienced corruption of config.db files when the disk gets full. While I was away on vacation, we experienced the same thing on python.org. The ugly thing is that when the disk gets full, enough of config.db can be written so that it is a valid marshal of an empty dictionary. This means that lists with corrupt config.db files will still load, but will start having very cryptic errors such as attributes missing on the MailList objects, etc. The fix in those cases is to free up space on the disk and then copy config.db.last to config.db for all the corrupted lists. I think this is suboptimal. I'd rather have config.db /only/ be changed if we can guarantee (as best as possible) that the marshal was written completely and successfully. Attached is a patch to do this. I am not checking it into the CVS tree at the moment because it's such a critical section of code. I want to stress it a little more myself, but I would greatly appreciate comments, or testing by y'all. You might want to use a non-production, or well backed up installation. I feel pretty confident about the change, but still, get this wrong and your lists are toast. The idea is that the marshal is first written to a temp file called config.db.tmp.<mypid>. If this succeeds completely, then 1) config.db.last is unlinked 2) a hard link config.db.last -> config.db is created 3) a hard link config.db -> config.db.tmp.<mypid> is created 4) config.db.tmp.<mypid> is unlinked Comments? -Barry Index: MailList.py =================================================================== RCS file: /projects/cvsroot/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py,v retrieving revision 1.126 diff -c -r1.126 MailList.py *** MailList.py 1999/06/15 07:50:54 1.126 --- MailList.py 1999/06/30 15:52:16 *************** *** 743,765 **** # pretty hosed. That's a good reason to make this a daemon not a # program. self.IsListInitialized() ! fname = os.path.join(self._full_path, 'config.db') ! fname_last = fname + ".last" ! file = aside_new(fname, fname_last, reopen=1) ! dict = {} for key, value in self.__dict__.items(): if key[0] <> '_': dict[key] = value try: ! marshal.dump(dict, file) ! file.close() ! except IOError, status: ! # Darn - try to resurrect the old config.db. ! file = aside_new(fname_last, fname, reopen=0) ! self.LogMsg("error", ! "Failed config file write '%s'," ! " old config resurrected." % `status.args`) ! Utils.reraise() self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() def Load(self, check_version = 1): --- 743,780 ---- # pretty hosed. That's a good reason to make this a daemon not a # program. self.IsListInitialized() ! # copy all public attributes to marshalable dictionary ! dict = {} for key, value in self.__dict__.items(): if key[0] <> '_': dict[key] = value + # we want to write this dict in a marshal, but be especially paranoid + # about how we write the config.db, so we'll be as robust as possible + # in the face of, e.g. disk full errors. The idea is that we want to + # guarantee that config.db is always valid. The old way had the bad + # habit of writing an incomplete file, which happened to be a valid + # (but bogus) marshal. + fname = os.path.join(self._full_path, 'config.db') + fname_tmp = fname + '.tmp.' + `os.getpid()` + fname_last = fname + ".last" + omask = os.umask(007) try: ! try: ! fp = open(fname_tmp, 'w') ! marshal.dump(dict, fp) ! fp.close() ! except IOError, status: ! os.unlink(fname_tmp) ! self.LogMsg('error', ! 'Failed config.db file write, retaining old state' ! '\n %s' % `status.args`) ! Utils.reraise() ! # now move config.db -> config.db.last ! # then move config.db.tmp.xxx -> config.db ! aside_new(fname, fname_last) ! aside_new(fname_tmp, fname) ! finally: ! os.umask(omask) self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() def Load(self, check_version = 1):

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Subject prefix bug.
by Rob Wise 30 Jun '99

30 Jun '99

Hi, This message is in refrence to Jitterbug ID incoming/64. I was just wondering if anyone had a patch or other fix I could use to resolve the problem until it is fixed officially in mailman. Thanks, Rob

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forwarded message from David Thiessen
by Barry A. Warsaw 27 Jun '99

27 Jun '99

Resending to the list since I just got back from vacation and am too swamped to look at this right now... -Barry

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Bug in GatewayManager.py, 1.0rc2
by Ben Gertzfield 26 Jun '99

26 Jun '99

I'm not subscribed to this list, so please Cc: me on any replies. I hope this is the right place to send bug reports. Anyway, the bug looks like a think-o in GatewayManager.py: == 8< cut here 8< == Bug in Mailman version 1.0rc2 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (innermost last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 112, in main HandleRequests(doc) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 200, in HandleRequests list.HandleRequest(request, v, form[comment_key].value) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 122, in HandleRequest self.HandlePostRequest(request_data[2:], value, comment) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 131, in HandlePostRequest self.Post(msg, 1) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1285, in Post self.SendMailToNewsGroup(msg) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/GatewayManager.py", line 143, in SendMailToNewsGroup msg.SetHeader('Subject', '%s(no subject)' % prefix) NameError: prefix ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Environment variables: Variable Value DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www/sluglug UNIQUE_ID N3QIwYByMfAAAC2oPIw HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODINGgzip CONTENT_LENGTH 315 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded PATH_TRANSLATED /var/www/sluglug/sluglug REMOTE_ADDR 198.4.83.36 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_COOKIE sluglug:admin="(lp0\012S'198.4.83.36'\012p1\012aI930351160\012aI930361960\012aI-1683555072\012a." SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.0 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGEen REMOTE_PORT 4012 SERVER_PORT 80 HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET iso-8859-1,*,utf-8 HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, image/png, */* REQUEST_URI /mailman/admindb/sluglug PATH /bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin QUERY_STRING SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb PATH_INFO /sluglug HTTP_HOST sluglug.ucsc.edu REQUEST_METHOD POST SERVER_SIGNATURE SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admindb SERVER_ADMIN ben(a)cse.ucsc.edu SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.3 (Unix) Debian/GNU PYTHONPATH /var/lib/mailman HTTP_REFERER http://sluglug.ucsc.edu/mailman/admindb/sluglug SERVER_NAME sluglug.ucsc.edu Content-type: text/html Database Updated... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Administrative requests for 'Sluglug' mailing list View or edit the list configuration information There are no pending requests. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sluglug list run by che(a)debian.org [Delivered by Mailman] v 1.0rc2 == 8< cut here 8< == Here's a patch that might fix this. I'm not sure, but at a quick glance this might solve the problem: --- GatewayManager.py.orig Fri Jun 25 15:56:06 1999 +++ GatewayManager.py Fri Jun 25 15:56:52 1999 @@ -140,7 +140,7 @@ if not re.match('(re:? *)?' + re.escape(subjpref), subj, re.I): msg.SetHeader('Subject', '%s%s' % (subjpref, subj)) else: - msg.SetHeader('Subject', '%s(no subject)' % prefix) + msg.SetHeader('Subject', '%s(no subject)' % subjpref) if self.reply_goes_to_list: del msg['reply-to'] msg.headers.append('Reply-To: %s\n' % self.GetListEmail()) Ben Gertzfield -- Brought to you by the letters S and D and the number 2. "Sculch is junk." Debian GNU/Linux maintainer of Gimp and GTK+ -- http://www.debian.org/

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Kerberos, AFS Patch
by Paul Hebble 24 Jun '99

24 Jun '99

Hello Mailman developers, Attached to this post please find a patch against the current Mailman CVS tree which adds support for Kerberos and AFS. Users who do not enable the Kerberos or AFS functionality will not experience any change in the functionality of their server vs. the current CVS tree. To enable support for Kerberos, first install Mailman on a system with a Kerberized httpd (such as Stronghold, or use mod_auth_kerb). You can then use the following configuration variables in mm_cfg.py to enable it: ADMIN_USERS = [] # A list of usernames which should be # considered site adminstrators when # authenticated via Kerberos. This is to # be used in place of the old "site admin # password" on a Kerberized server. KERBERIZED_SERVERS = [] # A list denoting which servers should be # considered Kerberized. Each entry # should consist of the preferred alias # for that machine concatenated with a ':' # and the port, to allow Kerberized and # non-Kerberized servers to co-exist on a # single machine. NONE_KERBERIZED = 0 # Boolean value which disables Kerberos on # all servers. This overrides # KERBERIZED_SERVERS. ALL_KERBERIZED = 0 # Boolean value to enable Kerberos on all # servers. This overrides NONE_KERBERIZED # and KERBERIZED_SERVERS. Of course there are some limitations to the Kerberos functionality. The Kerberized httpds I know of only support one Kerberos realm at a time. If you use Kerberos without SSL, you're crazy (your password will go in the clear). This patch has only been tested with Kerberos V5, but I see no reason it should not work with V4, because the httpd handles those differences anyway, I believe (you should upgrade to V5 anyway, though :). Kerberized servers should interoperate, including sharing lists, cleanly with non-Kerberized servers. Cookies and passwords (apart from Kerberos passwords) are now only used by non-Kerberized servers. In theory it should be possible to substitute other authentication methods in place of Kerberos, but this has not been tested. To enable support for AFS, use some or all of the following command-line arguments to `configure': --with-mail-preauth=COMMAND --with-mail-postauth=COMMAND --with-www-preauth=COMMAND --with-www-postauth=COMMAND --with-cron-preauth=COMMAND --with-cron-postauth=COMMAND These tell Mailman which commands to execute to get and destroy an AFS token before and after it performs mail-driven, web-based, and cron tasks. Different commands are available because your web server may have a different keytab file than your mail server, and who knows which server you might use to run the cron jobs. Of course non-AFS commands could be used instead, but this was added for AFS compatibility. As indicated by Christopher Lindsey in a previous post, we at NCSA are hoping to migrate to Mailman soon, and we need these changes to do so. We hope that this patch will be integrated into the main distribution so we don't have to maintain a parallel patch. Thank you for a useful product, and for reading all of that, -- Paul Hebble <hebble(a)ncsa.uiuc.edu> NCSA

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Re: Viewing anyone's options w/o a password
by Ken Manheimer 24 Jun '99

24 Jun '99

On Wed, 23 Jun, Rob Francis wrote: > It seems kind of odd to me that if I know someone's email address on a > list that I can go to the Info page and enter their email address, and > then w/o a password see what options they have set. Granted, I can't > change the options, but why even let someone get to see the options a > person has selected? > > Just wondering if this was a decision made on purpose, or perhaps an > oversight. I'd actually say it's somewhere in between. Originally all the settings pages - admin and admindb, as well as the user options pages - were like the user options pages, not hidden behind a password. The others were moved behind the cookie wall, and i expect it would have been easy enough to hide the user options page, too, except that then you'd prevent users missing their password from getting at the "send me my password" option! Kinda defeats the purpose. The proper answer would be to make the user options page two tier, with the "send me my password" button in front of the cookie password, and the rest behind. Evidentally this extra elaboration was high enough effort to exceed the attention threshold available for the cookie-protection switchover, and nobody's revisited it since. And in truth, most of the telling information about the options is revealed on the roster page - the membership on the list, whether or not they're digest subscribers, and whether or not their delivery is disabled. There are many such rough edges - some for simple expediency, and some that would require more infrastructure to be properly addressed. (An example of the latter is holding messages for approval directly in the config.db - we should have at least a basic catalog mechanism in which the mailing lists can store and retrieve such messages. This would take yet more overhead effort than the simple accommodation we could make for cookies around the user options page...) Ken Manheimer klm(a)digicool.com

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Re: Bug#40101: mailman: unexpected mailman error
by Gergely Madarasz 24 Jun '99

24 Jun '99

On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Christoph Lameter wrote: > Package: mailman > Version: 1.0rc2-4 > Severity: normal > > Got this strange message send to me. Seems to be due to a cron job someone who is already subscribed tried to subscribe again. mailman should catch this exception and reply politely, I'm forwarding this upstream. > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:39:05 -0700 > From: pptp-admin(a)opensource.captech.com > To: pptp-admin(a)opensource.captech.com > Subject: Unexpected Mailman error > > An unexpected Mailman error has occurred in > MailCommandHandler.ParseMailCommands(). Here is the traceback: > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 204, in ParseMailCommands > self.__dispatch[cmd](args, line, msg) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 583, in ProcessConfirmCmd > self.ProcessConfirmation(cookie) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1013, in ProcessConfirmation > self.ApprovedAddMember(email_addr, password, digest) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 905, in ApprovedAddMember > raise e, v > MMAlreadyAMember -- Madarasz Gergely gorgo(a)caesar.elte.hu gorgo(a)linux.rulez.org It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry. Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni. HuLUG: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/

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Mailman-Developers June 1999