Mailman 3 March 2000 - Mailman-Developers

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Failed authentication
by J C Lawrence March 9, 2000

March 9, 2000

On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:50:44 -0500 (EST) Mentor Cana <mentor(a)alb-net.com> wrote: > I've installed mod_ssl (compiled it myself) and can do mailman > admin via the SSL port with no problem. No password problems. Aye, what's especially odd is that forms are process properly elsewhere (PHP for instance). So the Apache side and the modules sides are Okay its just something with the Mailman CGI wrapper. I guess. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw(a)kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder(a)kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Failed authentication
by J C Lawrence March 9, 2000

March 9, 2000

On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:12:30 -0500 (EST) Barry A Warsaw <bwarsaw(a)cnri.reston.va.us> wrote: >>>>>> "JCL" == J C Lawrence <claw(a)kanga.nu> writes: JCL> Poking around even more: > | FieldStorage is blank. It is not getting the form variable > | (adminpw) from the login form. I don't know why. JCL> If I put the PW on the URL ala: JCL> http://server/mailman/admin/listname/?adminpw=password JCL> then everything works just fine up until I try and submit JCL> another form. JCL> I'm not sure where to go from here. Barry, got any pointers? > What changed? Did you upgrade Python, your browser, web server > (or server config), OS, or anything else? Did you make any > changes to Mailman? I've never seen this, but it sounds like > there is now a problem somewhere between your server and the > Mailman cgi scripts. I've never seen this happen! I installed mod_ssl (from a package) and restarted apache. I'm running under *exactly* the same Apache configs as I was before. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw(a)kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder(a)kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Failed authentication
by J C Lawrence March 9, 2000

March 9, 2000

On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 01:04:46 -0800 J C Lawrence <claw(a)kanga.nu> wrote: > On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 00:44:08 -0800 J C Lawrence <claw(a)kanga.nu> > wrote: >> I'm suddenly unable to log into the admin interfaces for my >> lists. Nothing gets posted to the log files on failed attempts. >> Poking about in ~/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py around the code: >> global cgi_data cgi_data = cgi.FieldStorage() >> AFAICT cgi_data is getting set to an empty dictionary (it doesn't >> seem to be "None"). Ideas? > Okay, not examply an empty dictionary (FieldStorage class), but it > is empty per its own keys() and __len__ method. However, snooping > the wire shows the POST with the "adminpw" in it set correctly. > The apparancy is that for some reason the Cgi module is not > getting the FORM variables properly. Poking around even more: FieldStorage is blank. It is not getting the form variable (adminpw) from the login form. I don't know why. If I put the PW on the URL ala: http://server/mailman/admin/listname/?adminpw=password then everything works just fine up until I try and submit another form. I'm not sure where to go from here. Barry, got any pointers? -- J C Lawrence Home: claw(a)kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder(a)kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Failed authentication
by J C Lawrence March 9, 2000

March 9, 2000

On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 00:44:08 -0800 J C Lawrence <claw(a)kanga.nu> wrote: > I'm suddenly unable to log into the admin interfaces for my lists. > Nothing gets posted to the log files on failed attempts. > Poking about in ~/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py around the code: > global cgi_data cgi_data = cgi.FieldStorage() > AFAICT cgi_data is getting set to an empty dictionary (it doesn't > seem to be "None"). Ideas? Okay, not examply an empty dictionary (FieldStorage class), but it is empty per its own keys() and __len__ method. However, snooping the wire shows the POST with the "adminpw" in it set correctly. The apparancy is that for some reason the Cgi module is not getting the FORM variables properly. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw(a)kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder(a)kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--

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Failed authentication
by J C Lawrence March 9, 2000

March 9, 2000

I'm suddenly unable to log into the admin interfaces for my lists. Nothing gets posted to the log files on failed attempts. Poking about in ~/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py around the code: global cgi_data cgi_data = cgi.FieldStorage() AFAICT cgi_data is getting set to an empty dictionary (it doesn't seem to be "None"). Ideas? -- J C Lawrence Home: claw(a)kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder(a)kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--

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monthly reminder bounce remedies
by Jim Tittsler March 9, 2000

March 9, 2000

As mailman-owner I get a large number of bounces every month from password reminder messages with Mailman 1.1. The vast majority of these are for people whose subscription state has already been set to nomail. Is there already an automated way of dealing with these? If not... Would it be reasonable to set an (optional?) age limit for how long someone could be in the "nomail" state and still be "subscribed"? The mailpasswords cron job could "age" them and eventually delete them. The only drawback I've thought of is that it would periodically unsubscribe people that had subscribed just to check archives or mailing list membership (which may not be a bad thing :-). (Or visiting the web page resets their aging?) The alternative would seem to be to process the bounces from the reminders and (after a couple) remove the subscriber. Jim -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman password and administrative reminders
by Nigel Metheringham March 3, 2000

March 3, 2000

Loading the headers and/or the body with additional clues as to the original recipients and lists are is good... but some brain dead MTAs will still carefully anonymise the bounce messages - some do it so effectively you feel it has to be deliberate :-( Nigel. -- [ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ] [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham(a)VData.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ]

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Admin overview page should list number of pending admin requests per list
by Harald Meland March 2, 2000

March 2, 2000

[Barry A. Warsaw] > >>>>> "BP" == Bruce Perens <bruce(a)perens.com> writes: > > BP> Here's a feature request. I administrer about 10 lists. To see > BP> what the pending admin requests are, I either have to look in > BP> my mailbox for nudges from the server, or click on the "handle > BP> administrative requests" link for _every_ list. What I want > BP> is to be able to see this for all lists at a glance. > > As admin for about a dozen lists on python.org, I completely agree! But that means that _anyone_ can see whether there are held messages in a list -- which really is giving out more info than appropriate (at least in some cases). I think there should be a separate "userinfo" CGI script which, after proper autentication, shows what lists that user is 1) member of and 2) admin for. Putting the info you both crave for on that page would be Good. [ And just think how nicely it would integrate with a user database... OK, OK, I'll stop teasing RSN ;) ] -- Harald

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman password and administrative reminders
by Nigel Metheringham March 2, 2000

March 2, 2000

secabeen(a)pobox.com said: > What about sending the messages out with multiple addresses in the > From header? It's a little weird, but is RFC legal, and that way > each reminder will bounce to all of the lists whose password is > listed in the email. Bounces go to the *envelope* sender address not the From: address. Nigel. -- [ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ] [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham(a)VData.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ]

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Posting to 2 lists breaks newsgating for the second one
by Jim Hebert March 1, 2000

March 1, 2000

I filed a jitterbug report about this a couple weeks back... Applix is fairly motivated about using mailman for their internal lists but needs the ability to crosspost on the mail side and have it show up in all the right newsgroups too. (If this doesn't make sense, visit the jitterbug report below.) So, I got them to put some money behind the bug report, if someone will fix it: http://www.python.org/mailman-bugs/incoming?id=202;user=guest http://www.cosource.com/cgi-bin/cos.pl/wish/info/295 (Sorry if this is better posted to the -users list, I just joined both lists and don't have a clear sense of which one would have been better...) All in all, we're loving mailman! =) jim [I work for Cosource / Applix.]

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Mailman password and administrative reminders
by David Birnbaum March 1, 2000

March 1, 2000

Folks, We just started converting from Majordomo to Mailman and we couldn't be more pleased; thanks for the good work, dear authors. I do have a couple of questions I did not see an answer to in the documentation anywhere, or listed in Jitterbug, though: 1. The password reminders come out from mailman-owner(a)masterdomain.com instead of list-admin(a)virtualdomain.com, which caused a lot of confusion for one of our mailing lists hosted on a virtual domain. Is there any way to change that? 2. Bounces are sent to the poor postmaster instead of a -admin address. I'm not entirely certain, but I think an Errors-To: header or something like that in all Mailman messages might allow one to distribute that load somewhat. Alas, I am only a poor, crippled, Perl hacker, or I might take a crack at fixing these two. In any case, thanks, David. ----- ** WARNING ** This message was composed by a temporarily crippled programmer using a speech recognition system. Please don't be alarmed if some extremely strange word usage shows up in the message. Many thanks....

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