Mailman 3 April 2000 - Mailman-Developers

User list in mysql
by Dan Chen 07 Apr '00

07 Apr '00

My company has tasked me to port our existing mailing list to mailman. The requirement is that the list of subscribers has to be kept in mysql. (We have scripts and reports that use this list). I'm a python newbie, so please bear with me. I've taken a look at MailList.py and understand that the subscriber list and all other data is stored as a marshal in config.db. And this is stored in the methods Load and Save. I'm proposing that when Save is called, it also makes changes to the mysql db. And after a Load, it queries the db. This sounds very expensive, and I'm wondering if developers here who know Mailman and python better would have a better scheme. Also if I'm missing anything in my analysis. thanks dan

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2.0b2 status
by Ron Jarrell 06 Apr '00

06 Apr '00

Updated both my production and test servers (no, not in that order) to whatever was in cvs this morning, which at least has me stamped as 2.0beta2... Seems to be working fine, including news gating... I'm watching the logs. Did have one weirdness where the production server was giving me tracebacks on the listinfo page.. Which went away after I tried it a couple of times, while check_perms was running... check_perms found nothing wrong, and the script "healed" itself. Bizarre...

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check_perms bug?...
by Dan Mick 05 Apr '00

05 Apr '00

Somehow, my /home/mailman/lists directory managed to get set with permissions check_perms didn't check for; it was set to d-wx-ws--x/mailman/mailman, which caused mailcmd to be unable to list the directory (no read perms). I fixed it once I figured it out, but I had a lot of check_perms runs in there before I finally figured it out...mostly because I was confused about what 'x' really means on a directory. But check_perms could have saved me time if it had checked for 'owner-and-group-read'; I think it should.

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security szenario possible?
by Adrian Letzner - Sun Germany Berlin SE 05 Apr '00

05 Apr '00

i would like to know, if mailman can handle the following szenario: 1. automatic subscribing to a fixed list (eg. via cgi script). that means: a program (eg. cgi-script) should handle the subscribing/unsubscribing mechanism by sending a static mail to the *-request address WITHOUT (!!) using the password mechanism (new privacy option: *not confirming). 2. deleting the mail-header to anonymisize the mails which will be posted. the reasons for that is my plan to have an automatic anonymous mailing list defined, where only the administrator will post messages. please answer directly to me, cause i'm not on the list. thanks a lot and sorry for my english -- ******************************************************************* Adrian Letzner ISV Partner SE Tel: (++49 30) 74 70 96 65 Sun Microsystems GmbH Fax: (++49 30) 74 70 96 99 Lankwitzer Str. 19 mailto:adrian.letzner@germany.sun.com 12107 Berlin http://www.sun.de *******************************************************************

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Listing Lists Faster in 2.0?
by Roberto Ullfig 05 Apr '00

05 Apr '00

So, in 1.0rc2, displaying the list of lists for 529 lists requires 529**2 = 279841 system stat calls and takes over one and a half minutes on our Ultra-2 2x296 processor system! Is this because of Python, Mailman, or both? Has this been "fixed" in 2.0? You really should only need to make one stat call per list. -- Roberto Ullfig : rullfig(a)uchicago.edu Systems Administrator Networking Services and Information Technologies University of Chicago

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Answering my own question
by Dan Mick 05 Apr '00

05 Apr '00

Adding a "save_list=0" (or just a fourth argument '0') to the two calls to SetUserOption in admin.py speeds up that "set one option" flag a *whole* lot. It might be that similar "optimizations" to the other forms processing (DeleteMember, primarily) are a bit unsafe, but it seems like a huge win for the SetUserOption calls, and not very unsafe, since the list will be saved after processing all users anyway.

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Speaking of pathological behavior...
by Dan Mick 05 Apr '00

05 Apr '00

Now that I'm in the same room with my Mailman server, I notice that, at least after setting admin_user_chunksize to 50 (from the default 30) that changing one user's "mailto" flag from off to on (to disable a user by hand temporarily) beats the living *hell* out of the disk, and server. Something bad wrong is going on there; I truss'ed it once and it was continually doing something like opening a file, writing it, and closing it. I don't know what. Something's wrong though. I haven't started to try to look at the form-processing code to see what happens.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Listing Lists Faster in 2.0?
by Dan Mick 04 Apr '00

04 Apr '00

> >>>>> "DM" == Dan Mick <dan.mick(a)West.Sun.COM> writes: > > DM> Python's library-search path has to be set to include > DM> /home/mailman/Mailman. I just discovered that bin/withlist > DM> doesn't do this recently; I'm guessing the driver script > DM> doesn't do it either. For your purposes, I would think that > DM> augmenting PYTHONPATH in the environment should suffice. > > Right, because driver is only supposed to be run from the C wrapper > binary, which /does/ set PYTHONPATH. I didn't expect withlist to be > run without explicitly invoking python. But even when withlist is run from Python, PYTHONPATH/sys.path doesn't include /home/mailman/Mailman (this is 1.1): python -i bin/withlist <listname> Loading list: <listname> (unlocked) >>> sys.path ['/home/mailman', 'bin', '/usr/local/lib/python1.5/', '/usr/local/lib/python1.5/plat-sunos5', '/usr/local/lib/python1.5/lib-tk', '/usr/local/lib/python1.5/lib-dynload'] This means that the relatively-obvious "import mm_cfg" doesn't work. How come? Things like that *do* seem like the very purpose of withlist. > The -r switch could be used > this way so I think I'll add a #! line at the top. Note that it does > not help to add -i in the #! line. > > -Barry

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Bug#61695: mailman: mail->news gw blows up on mails without subject (fwd)
by Gergely Madarasz 04 Apr '00

04 Apr '00

I just got this bugreport in the debian BTS. Comments ? -- Madarasz Gergely gorgo(a)sztaki.hu gorgo(a)linux.rulez.org It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry. Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni. HuLUG: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 18:16:45 +0300 From: erno(a)iki.fi To: submit(a)bugs.debian.org Subject: Bug#61695: mailman: mail->news gw blows up on mails without subject Resent-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 15:18:02 +0000 (GMT) Resent-From: erno(a)iki.fi Resent-To: debian-bugs-dist(a)lists.debian.org Resent-cc: Gergely Madarasz <gorgo(a)sztaki.hu> Package: mailman Version: 1.1-4 Severity: important hello, i have a local newsgroup, and i created a mailman list named test2, telling mailman to gateway messages from it to the local newsgroup. the news server is inn-1.7.2-16. running % echo seppo | mail test2(a)erno.iki.fi leads to From: Mail Delivery System <Mailer-Daemon(a)erno.iki.fi> Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender To: erno(a)erno.iki.fi X-Failed-Recipients: test2(a)erno.iki.fi Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 18:08:03 +0300 This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. The following address(es) failed: test2(a)erno.iki.fi: generated |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post test2 The following text was generated during the delivery attempt: ------ |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post test2 ------ Traceback (innermost last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ? mlist.Post(msg, approved=fromusenet) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1331, in Post self.SendMailToNewsGroup(msg) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/GatewayManager.py", line 143, in SendMailToNewsGroup msg.SetHeader('Subject', '%s(no subject)' % subjpref) NameError: subjpref ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ Return-path: <erno(a)erno.iki.fi> Received: from erno by erno.iki.fi with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 12c8SN-0004Jv-00 for <test2(a)erno.iki.fi>; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 18:07:59 +0300 To: test2(a)erno.iki.fi Message-Id: <E12c8SN-0004Jv-00(a)erno.iki.fi> From: Erno Kuusela <erno(a)erno.iki.fi> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 18:07:59 +0300 seppo looks to me like this is bad, because if i want to use mailman to, say, gateway messages from debian-devel to a local read-only newsgroup, bounce messages will be sent to the listowner of debian-devel and he will likely kick me off the list when he gets tired of things like this. also this is a crash, and if i understand correctly those should generally filed as important bugs. (please tell me if i'm wrong) -- System Information Debian Release: 2.2 Kernel Version: Linux fun77 2.2.10 #1 Sun Jun 20 19:03:53 EEST 1999 i586 unknown Versions of the packages mailman depends on: ii apache 1.3.9-12 Versatile, high-performance HTTP server ii cron 3.0pl1-57 management of regular background processing ii libc6 2.1.3-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone ii logrotate 3.2-11 Log rotation utility ii python-base 1.5.2-9 An interactive object-oriented scripting lan sendmail Not installed or no info ii exim 3.12-7 Exim Mailer ^^^ (Provides virtual package mail-transport-agent) ii apache 1.3.9-12 Versatile, high-performance HTTP server ^^^ (Provides virtual package httpd)

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Local characters (loike ÄÖÜß) in pipermail
by Henning Schroeder 03 Apr '00

03 Apr '00

Hello, I just modified the latest version of Mailman/pipermail to support local characters (like äöüß). Headers with "=?ISO-8859-1..." are really disturbing :-( Basically my code decodes every message header with the mimify module. Is anyone interested in the source? It modifies Message.py, Mailbox.py, pipermail.py and Hyperarch.py. Besides I would like to implement a better MIME support in Mailman. Then you could e.g. block binary attachments in the list or display HTML-mails with inline-graphics in the archive. Henning

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