Mailman 3 April 2001 - Mailman-Developers

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman password and administrative reminders
by Dan Mick 14 Aug '03

14 Aug '03

? This very message came to me with the following header: Errors-To: mailman-developers-admin(a)python.org All my bounces come to the list admin address, set in the admin webpage, in the second field of General Options. Do you have that set to something, and bounces still come to root? > 2. Bounces are sent to the poor postmaster instead of a -admin address. > I'm not entirely certain, but I think an Errors-To: header or something > like that in all Mailman messages might allow one to distribute that load > somewhat.

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empty digests
by Ricardo Kustner 07 May '01

07 May '01

Hi, Last night I had to change all subscribers to one of my lists to a digest version. I used bin/withlist -l in interactive mode and gave the following python commands: all = m.GetMembers() for member in all: m.SetUserDigest(member, 1, force=1) This took a really long time (1635 regular subscribers) and after about 20 minutes I decided to press Ctrl-C cause I was afraid it hung somewhow... this means I wasn't able to do a m.Save() but after checking the number of subscriber was reduced to about 60 so appearantly it did work out... After that I decided to rerun the commands again and this time I waited untill it was finished and did a m.Save() Anyway my point is that now I'm getting some complaints from members about receiving empty digests (it only says the number of posts which should be in there) I'm not sure yet what they are missing but I was wondering if I could have messed things about by interrupting the process w/o a m.Save()? When I look up the subscription options for one of the members who complained I don't see anything weird in there... -- Regards, Ricardo

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Delivering messages to scripts/post
by Jesper Jensen 01 May '01

01 May '01

We have been running Mailman on Windows for about two weeks now and most things seem to work very well. To make it run I had to make some changes - all of them minor - and most of them related to opening files ('b'). Mailmanwin (as I have named it) is probably not useful for anyone but me (and my company) right now; some things do not work at all (web interface, e-mail archive, usenet gateway, all the bin scripts) and some things are changed to make them better fit my needs. I have made an "install" script doing all the work and describing all the changes, so it's fairly easy getting started. I hope to get a webpage up with these things soon. I don't expect the mailman developers to take account of any of these changes. I fully understand and respect that this is a Linux project and would hate if cross platform issues in any way affected the future direction of Mailman. Having said that, it would be nice if no module names conflicted with modules in the standard Python distribution (mailbox) ;) On to the questions. 1. Delivering messages to scripts/post I could not find any MTA for Windows (I didn't look much, though) that was able to get the toaddr and deliver the message to scripts/post. Instead we are using L-soft LSMTP (we used L-soft LISTSERV before changing to Mailman). LSMTP is told to save all messages (complete with all envelope header information) and I have made a Python script that parses each message and calls Enqueu with the correct parameters. This works well, except that we have had a couple of mail loops because of auto-responders replying directly to the list. So my question is, what information does a MTA look for before passing the message to post? I found out that filtering out all messages with daemon and/or postmaster in the fromaddr is a good idea. Are there any other "keywords" that i should know of? 2. Empty envelope fromaddr In some messages the envelope fromaddr is empty. Is it safe to never deliver a message with an empty envelope fromaddr to a list? 3. Using the envelope fromaddr or the message fromaddr I can see that this is a Mailman setting. What are the consequences of using only the envelope fromaddr? Just for the record. L-soft LISTSERV is a great product - the most solid/stable I have ever used. We chaned to Mailman because we needed some things LISTSERV didn't have. All the best, Jesper.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Delivering messages to scripts/post
by J C Lawrence 01 May '01

01 May '01

On Tue, 01 May 2001 00:54:39 +0200 Jesper Jensen <jj-list(a)mail.dk> wrote: > I fully understand and respect that this is a Linux project... Actually its a GNU project, which is not at all Linux specific. Mailman in its current incarnation is Unix-centric in a number of ways (which subtley different from Linux-centric), but that is mainly due to the majority of the developers (and thus the users) having Unix as their preferred (server) platform. > We chaned to Mailman because we needed some things LISTSERV didn't > have. Like what? (might as well pump up our strengths) -- J C Lawrence claw(a)kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: 2006 archives already online!
by Darrell Fuhriman 01 May '01

01 May '01

Bill Bumgarner <bbum(a)CODEFAB.COM> writes: > This appears to be a fairly common problem; I suspect that > MailMan is using a header to set the date and some folks have > their client set to preposterous dates. See: That's why under "archival options" you'll find: "Set date in archive to when the mail is claimed to have been sent, or to the time we resend it?" If you leave it on 'when sent', you deserve the mess you'll get in your archives. Darrell

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ANNOUNCE mimelib 0.3
by barry＠digicool.com 01 May '01

01 May '01

I've finally moved mimelib development to SourceForge, and uploaded version 0.3. mimelib is yet another MIME and RFC 2822 <wink> message handling library for Python. It differs from older modules and packages by providing an abstract MIME object model separate from parsing and generating the plain text representations. There is a parser class to convert from plain text to the model, and a generator class to output plain text from the model. Along the way, the object model can be manipulated in very Pythonic ways (or you can generate an entire model from scratch using the provided message classes). mimelib is compatible with Python 2.x. My goal is to solidify the API and implementation enough for inclusion of mimelib in Python 2.2. mimelib 0.3 is required for the current CVS snapshot of Mailman 2.1 alpha. For online documentation, see http://mimelib.sourceforge.net For project information, see http://sourceforge.net/projects/mimelib For downloading mimelib-0.3.tar.gz, see http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=25568 And of course, there's a mailing list for developers Postings: mimelib-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subscribe: http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mimelib-devel Enjoy, -Barry

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Re: 2006 archives already online!
by Bill Bumgarner 30 Apr '01

30 Apr '01

This appears to be a fairly common problem; I suspect that MailMan is using a header to set the date and some folks have their client set to preposterous dates. See: http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/webobjects-dev/ The above is from a mailing list managed with 2.0b3. b.bum On Monday, April 30, 2001, at 12:02 PM, mailman-developers- request(a)python.org wrote: > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 19:12:29 +0000 (GMT) > From: Ousmane Wilane <wilane(a)MINT.SN> > To: <mailman-developers(a)python.org> > Subject: [Mailman-Developers] 2006 archives already online! > > Hi, > Take a look at the Mailman-dev archives page, we have a 2006-April > line there with only one message. Perhaps I'm missing sth! > Kind regars. > > W. O.

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small fix for admindb.py
by Tollef Fog Heen 30 Apr '01

30 Apr '01

It seems like admindb.py doesn't escape the body of html emails properly, which can make it impossible to do anything to the post. This patch should fix it. --- mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py~ Mon Apr 30 17:53:15 2001 +++ mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py Mon Apr 30 17:56:09 2001 @@ -228,7 +228,7 @@ row, col = t.GetCurrentRowIndex(), t.GetCurrentCellIndex() t.AddCellInfo(row, col-1, align='right') t.AddRow([Bold('Message Excerpt:'), - TextArea('fulltext-%d' % id, text, rows=10, cols=80)]) + TextArea('fulltext-%d' % id, cgi.escape(text), rows=10, cols=80)]) t.AddCellInfo(row+1, col-1, align='right') form.AddItem(t) form.AddItem('<p>') -- Tollef Fog Heen Unix _IS_ user friendly... It's just selective about who its friends are.

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[PATCH] add message counters to Subject line
by Bart Trojanowski 29 Apr '01

29 Apr '01

[ I am not on the list so please leave me in the CC on this thread ] After doing this 'patch' you can specify a single %d anywhere in subject_prefix (ie the 'Prefix for subject line of list postings') and it will be magically replaced to the post_id (ie the message index). BTW, where is the post_id stored? Can I updated it from the command line with some (less)? standard tool? I have tested with formats of type '[LIST (%d)]' for subject_prefix. I would not be surprised if some strange formats may screw up my regular expresions... today is my first day writing Python :) Ex: Say you have a list with subject_prefix set to '[LIST (%d)]' The first post will have a subject of: Subject: [LIST (1)] the real subject line The reply to this will hold: Subject: Re: [LIST (2)] the real subject line The reply to that will hold: Subject: Re: [LIST (3)] the real subject line And so on. Regards, Bart. -- WebSig: http://www.jukie.net/~bart/sig/

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Patch: ignoring (no subject) in the subject line of a administrative request
by Ralf Laue 27 Apr '01

27 Apr '01

Just a simple but useful patch: If someone sends an administrative request to the -request address, he or she may leave the subject line empty, writing the commands(s) in the body of the message. Netscape and other mailers suggest a default subject "(no subject)", and the sender will get an error report because (no subject) is no valid command. Best Wishes, Ralf diff /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py /usr/src/mailman-2.0.3/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py 132,134d131 < # ignoring (no subject) in the subject line of a administrative request < if subject == "(no subject)" or subject == "(No Subject)" < subject = ""

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Mailman-Developers April 2001