Mailman-Developers June 2001

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman password and administrative reminders
by Dan Mick 14 Aug '03

14 Aug '03

? This very message came to me with the following header: Errors-To: mailman-developers-admin(a)python.org All my bounces come to the list admin address, set in the admin webpage, in the second field of General Options. Do you have that set to something, and bounces still come to root? > 2. Bounces are sent to the poor postmaster instead of a -admin address. > I'm not entirely certain, but I think an Errors-To: header or something > like that in all Mailman messages might allow one to distribute that load > somewhat.

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layout
by Yanuar Nugroho 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

Hi folks, Is it possible to change the layout of the message body in Mailman? (e.g. changing the left & right margin of the body message) Is it also possible to insert certain text into the body but _not_ header or footer? Currently my Mailman 2.1 is running on my unix-apache-sendmail configuration very very well ...:) -Yanuar-

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archive
by Yanuar Nugroho 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

Hi, How is the principle of archiving in Mailman? Is it related to storing and retrieving data when the archives are accessed thru the website? Can mailman take a particular message in the archive and stick it to new message to be distributed? Yanuar

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] qrunner -- problem with huge mail messages
by J C Lawrence 27 Jun '01

27 Jun '01

On Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:42:56 +0200 Dirko van Schalkwyk <dvschalk(a)ing.sun.ac.za> wrote: > I made some time measurements : > 1 236 202 bytes took 2 minutes to process 4 053 188 bytes took 19 > minutes to process > I this normal? Am I missing some option that I can turn of. What > is qrunner doing all this time? Are you swapping? Aside: Qrunner is written in Python and operates by loading the entire subject message into memory before processing. This also may be at the core of the problem. -- J C Lawrence claw(a)kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ I never claimed to be human.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] qrunner -- problem with huge mail messages
by J C Lawrence 27 Jun '01

27 Jun '01

On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 15:35:26 +0200 Dirko van Schalkwyk <dvschalk(a)ing.sun.ac.za> wrote: > I set Mailman up, created a test list and played with it for a > while. Then I send it a big "whopper" 5MB e-mail. I watched the > logs and saw postfix running the wrapper. The cron started qrunner > and all hell broke lose (over dramatizing a bit). It started > running at 100% CPU, where it stayed until I killed it. The > message was queued in $prefix/qfiles, it and its little .db > file. I had to remove those as well as the locks in $prefix/locks > before I could successfully use the list again. > So I thought, "well maybe the pipermail thingy can't handle the > huge mime thingies I'm sending it". So I send a smaller attachment > <150kb. Things went fine (except for the ugly html page:) ) Send > it a 1MB attachment. qrunner started spinning it's wheels > again. Had to seek and destroy again. Having run lists which had posts with attachments in the 100Meg+ range (some people use mail as a file transfer protocol), and had them work (admittedly more than a year ago) I'm fairly certain that this is not a Mailman problem. Its likely to be an MTA problem or a system problem (eg spool space). Try sending such a post with such a large attachment to yourself through that same mail server. Now try the same thing, but with say 50 copies of the same message being sent to yourself in very rapid succession. What your system closely. What happens? -- J C Lawrence claw(a)kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ The pressure to survive and rhetoric may make strange bedfellows

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27 Jun '01

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hotmail & MIME-digests
by Ricardo Kustner 26 Jun '01

26 Jun '01

I don't know if this has been discussed before, but am I correct to assume that hotmail.com (and maybe other webmail services too?) doesn't correctly handle MIME digests send by Mailman? I always thought some people just didn't "see" the attached messages, but now I test it myself in hotmail i noticed it only shows the footer of the digest and something that looks like a lost MIME seperator (--212.206.25.241.1015.180.993549624.729.13400--) I'm sure the digests are send correctly cause when I read them with Mutt as the client they are ok... Any ideas? I couldn't really find something in the bug database... Regards, Ricardo

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2.0.5 and python 2.1?
by Ron Jarrell 26 Jun '01

26 Jun '01

I thought 2.0.5 was safe under python 2.1? I just copied my mailman installation over to a new machine, which had 2.1 installed on it. Most stuff works, although cron is giving me a slew of warnings about deprecated things and syntax warnings. But admin passwords are failing entirely.. I'm getting: admin(25762): if not self.ValidAdminPassword(pw): admin(25762): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 47, in ValidAdminPassword admin(25762): return type(pw) == StringType and \ admin(25762): TypeError: argument 2 must be string without null bytes, not string admin(25762): [----- Python Information -----] admin(25762): sys.version = 2.1 (#1, Jun 12 2001, 07:59:49) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)]

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HTML Issue
by James Dinan 25 Jun '01

25 Jun '01

I posted this message to mailman-users, and then the more I was thinking about it, the more I began to think this was a question for developers. Please tell me what you think: I am running Mailman 2.0.1 on Redhat 6.2 and I am having difficulty with the Subscribe Results Page (/mailman/subscribe/listname). More specifically, I have edited the HTML and whenever I view the page, mailman appears to be prepending the following to the source: <HTML> <HEAD> </HEAD> <BODY <BODY bgcolor="#ffffff"> which I'm sure you can imagine is wreaking havoc on the rest of my HTML. Has anyone else had this problem, or is this fixed in future releases? Since I am not an admin on the server I am configuring it will be difficult (Redhat installs mailman in /var/mailman) to recompile mailman. I have just checked http://mail.python.org/mailman/subscribe/mailman-users and you can see for yourself that this is also happening with the version of mailman that serves this list. - jim dinan. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- James Dinan <james(a)gilbertwalker.com> Gilbert Walker Group: Lenox, MA U.S.A Available: http://www.gilbertwalker.com

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Re: Mailman-Developers digest, Vol 1 #917 - 3 msgs
by Samuel 25 Jun '01

25 Jun '01

unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: <mailman-developers-request(a)python.org> To: <mailman-developers(a)python.org> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 6:01 PM Subject: Mailman-Developers digest, Vol 1 #917 - 3 msgs > Send Mailman-Developers mailing list submissions to > mailman-developers(a)python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mailman-developers-request(a)python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mailman-developers-admin(a)python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Developers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. qrunner -- problem with huge mail messages (Dirko van Schalkwyk) > 2. HTML Issue (James Dinan) > 3. Re: HTML Issue (Thomas Wouters) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 15:35:26 +0200 > From: Dirko van Schalkwyk <dvschalk(a)ing.sun.ac.za> > Reply-To: dvschalk(a)ing.sun.ac.za > To: mailman-developers(a)python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Developers] qrunner -- problem with huge mail messages > > Hi > > It is 6:02 AM Sat. and I'm fairly fed-up. > > I have the following situation : > > Mailman 2.0.5 > Python 2.0 > MTA : postfix > > I set Mailman up, created a test list and played with it for a while. > Then I send it a big "whopper" 5MB e-mail. I watched the logs and saw > postfix running the wrapper. The cron started qrunner and all hell broke > lose (over dramatizing a bit). It started running at 100% CPU, where it > stayed until I killed it. The message was queued in $prefix/qfiles, it > and its little .db file. I had to remove those as well as the locks in > $prefix/locks before I could successfully use the list again. > > So I thought, "well maybe the pipermail thingy can't handle the huge > mime thingies I'm sending it". So I send a smaller attachment <150kb. > Things went fine (except for the ugly html page:) ) Send it a 1MB > attachment. qrunner started spinning it's wheels again. Had to seek and > destroy again. > > So I replaced pipermail with MHonArc (With PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER , > PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER , PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL in mm_cfg.py and the > appropriate thingies in httpd.conf). Small messages worked fine. Big > whoppers = no joy i.e. still the same with big messages. So at least it > is not the archiving bit that messes up. > > So I upgraded my Python ;) Ermm, to version 2.0. Still the same. > > Has anyone had the same problem? Can anyone confirm this as a bug by > sending a 2MB file to a 2.0.5 testlist? > > How do I do a trace in Python? (i.e. it is as familiar to me as the > bacteria in my stomach (I runs on my machine and there endeth the > relationship)) > > Any pointers? Anything? I need to get this list running before monday > (yes this is for a business). Please!!!?? > > Sorry if this e-mail was not formal enough, the 48 hours strait is > getting to me. > > Greets > > Dirko > > Lab E352 > E&E Engineering > Univ. of Stellenbosch > South Africa > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: "James Dinan" <james(a)gilbertwalker.com> > To: <mailman-developers(a)python.org> > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 10:49:27 -0700 > Subject: [Mailman-Developers] HTML Issue > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C0FD64.8168A650 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I posted this message to mailman-users, and then the more I was thinking = > about it, the more I began to think this was a question for developers. = > Please tell me what you think: > > I am running Mailman 2.0.1 on Redhat 6.2 and I am having difficulty with = > the Subscribe Results Page (/mailman/subscribe/listname). More = > specifically, I have edited the HTML and whenever I view the page, = > mailman appears to be prepending the following to the source: > > <HTML> > <HEAD> > </HEAD> > <BODY > <BODY bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"> > > which I'm sure you can imagine is wreaking havoc on the rest of my HTML. = > Has anyone else had this problem, or is this fixed in future releases? = > Since I am not an admin on the server I am configuring it will be = > difficult (Redhat installs mailman in /var/mailman) to recompile = > mailman. > > I have just checked = > http://mail.python.org/mailman/subscribe/mailman-users and you can see = > for yourself that this is also happening with the version of mailman = > that serves this list. > > - jim dinan. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > James Dinan <james(a)gilbertwalker.com> > Gilbert Walker Group: Lenox, MA U.S.A > Available: http://www.gilbertwalker.com > > ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C0FD64.8168A650 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> > <HTML><HEAD> > <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2920.0" name=3DGENERATOR> > <STYLE></STYLE> > </HEAD> > <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I posted this message to mailman-users, = > and then=20 > the more I was thinking about it, the more I began to think this was a = > question=20 > for developers.  Please tell me what you think:</FONT></DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am running Mailman 2.0.1 on Redhat = > 6.2 and I am=20 > having difficulty with the Subscribe Results Page=20 > (/mailman/subscribe/listname).  More specifically, I have edited = > the HTML=20 > and whenever I view the page, mailman appears to be prepending the = > following to=20 > the source:</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20 > size=3D2><BR><HTML><BR><HEAD><BR></HEAD><BR><BODY<BR= > ><BODY=20 > bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"></FONT></DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>which I'm sure you can imagine is = > wreaking havoc on=20 > the rest of my HTML.  Has anyone else had this problem, or is this = > fixed in=20 > future releases?  Since I am not an admin on the server I am = > configuring it=20 > will be difficult (Redhat installs mailman in /var/mailman) to recompile = > > mailman.</FONT></DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have just checked <A=20 > href=3D"http://mail.python.org/mailman/subscribe/mailman-users">http://ma= > il.python.org/mailman/subscribe/mailman-users</A> and=20 > you can see for yourself that this is also happening with the version of = > mailman=20 > that serves this list.</FONT></DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- jim dinan.</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20 > size=3D2>----------------------------------------------------------------= > -------<BR>James=20 > Dinan <<A=20 > href=3D"mailto:james@gilbertwalker.com">james(a)gilbertwalker.com</A>><B= > R>Gilbert=20 > Walker Group: Lenox, MA  U.S.A<BR>Available:  <A=20 > href=3D"http://www.gilbertwalker.com">http://www.gilbertwalker.com</A></F= > ONT></FONT></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML> > > ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C0FD64.8168A650-- > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:47:58 +0200 > From: Thomas Wouters <thomas(a)xs4all.net> > To: James Dinan <james(a)gilbertwalker.com> > Cc: mailman-developers(a)python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Developers] HTML Issue > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 10:49:27AM -0700, James Dinan wrote: > > > I posted this message to mailman-users, and then the more I was thinking > > about it, the more I began to think this was a question for developers. > > Please tell me what you think: > > > I am running Mailman 2.0.1 on Redhat 6.2 and I am having difficulty with > > the Subscribe Results Page (/mailman/subscribe/listname). More > > specifically, I have edited the HTML and whenever I view the page, mailman > > appears to be prepending the following to the source: > > > > <HTML> > > <HEAD> > > </HEAD> > > <BODY > > <BODY bgcolor="#ffffff"> > > Yes. This is an open bug, and an old one. It still requires a Pronouncement > from Barry. The problem is that Mailman creates a HTMLgen Document instead > of a HeadlessDocument, for the list page. From the top of my head the fix is > to change > > doc = Document() > > into > > doc = HeadlessDocument() > > in Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py, function listinfo_overview(). I believe Barry > is reluctant to fix it because of possible breakage (people might have made > template files with the (Headfull)Document in mind.) Barry ? :) > > -- > Thomas Wouters <thomas(a)xs4all.net> > > Hi! I'm a .signature virus! copy me into your .signature file to help me spread! > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-Developers mailing list > Mailman-Developers(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers > > > End of Mailman-Developers Digest >

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Mailman-Developers June 2001