Mailman-Developers December 2002

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman password and administrative reminders
by Dan Mick 13 Aug '03

13 Aug '03

? This very message came to me with the following header: Errors-To: mailman-developers-admin(a)python.org All my bounces come to the list admin address, set in the admin webpage, in the second field of General Options. Do you have that set to something, and bounces still come to root? > 2. Bounces are sent to the poor postmaster instead of a -admin address. > I'm not entirely certain, but I think an Errors-To: header or something > like that in all Mailman messages might allow one to distribute that load > somewhat.

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RELEASED Mailman 2.1 - final
by barry＠python.org 03 Jan '03

03 Jan '03

After nearly two years of development, we are happy to announce the release of GNU Mailman 2.1. Mailman is free software that enables users to manage email mailing lists and e-newsletters. Its integrated web interface provides easy-to-use access for list members and list administrators. Mailman supports built-in archiving, automatic bounce processing, content filtering, digest delivery, spam filters, and more. Mailman 2.1 is fully internationalized, supporting 17 languages out-of-the-box. A summary of additional new features in Mailman 2.1 is outlined below. The NEWS file in the source distribution contains more details about all the new features. For more information on Mailman, including downloading and installation instructions, please visit one of the following mirror sites: http://www.list.org http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman http://mailman.sf.net The Mailman developers wish to thank Control.com for their sponsorship of several Mailman 2.1 features, Zope Corporation for their support, and the entire Mailman community for their contributions. -Barry Warsaw Pythonlabs, Zope Corporation -------------------- snip snip -------------------- - Multi-lingual support for all web pages and Mailman generated email notices, with languages selectable on a per-site, per-list, and per-user basis. - Through-the-web list creation and removal; (with automatic support depending on the MTA) - "Real name" support for members - Improved simple user-task operation (e.g. no passwords required for subscription and unsubscription). - Support for personalized deliveries and VERP-like message delivery for foolproof bounce detection - Emergency moderation - MIME-based content-filtering, with demime/stripmime-like options - Regular expression based topic-filtering - Better membership management, including searching - Re-organized administrative requests pages - Moderated newsgroup support - A new architecture for the mail delivery subsystem, removing dependence on cron, resulting in improved responsiveness and scalability - New moderation and privacy controls - Invitations - Autoresponse governors - Users can now change some delivery options globally, for all lists at a site, including their password, delivery status, real name, and more. - Improved MIME and I18n support in the archiver - Addition of a separate "list moderator" role - Urgent: header support (bypasses digests to reach all users immediately).

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email package bug
by Jon Parise 31 Dec '02

31 Dec '02

One of my list members forwarded me the attached traceback. I'm don't have much clue with regard to the email package, though, so I'm passing it along to the group. The fact that the user who sent me the report is using the French locale may be of note. The attached traceback was generated when the user attempted to unsubscribe from a mailing list to which they belonged. -- Jon Parise (jon(a)horde.org) :: The Horde Project (http://horde.org/)

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Mailman 2.1 pre-announcement
by barry＠python.org 30 Dec '02

30 Dec '02

Happy New Year everyone! Mailman 2.1 is pushed out to the web sites and the download sites. See http://www.list.org for the new web pages. The only thing left is to make the announcement, and I'll do that tomorrow some time. You'll notice that these lists have been upgraded to 2.1 final, and hopefully everything's a-okay. Note to i18n'ers: I've created a maintenance branch for future 2.1 patch releases. This way we can continue to develop new versions on the trunk (whether that's 2.2 or 3.0 is still up in the air). If you are making changes to i18n stuff for 2.1.1, please for now do so on both the trunk and the branch, which is labeled Release_2_1-maint. I would suggest having both checked out into different directories. If you have cvs questions, please start here: http://www.cvshome.org/docs/manual/cvs_5.html#SEC54 And follow up on this list with questions. Cheers and g'night. -Barry

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[ mailman-Bugs-214205 ] e-mail&lt;-&gt; usenet gateway Reply-To header (PR#303)
by noreply＠sourceforge.net 30 Dec '02

30 Dec '02

Bugs item #214205, was opened at 2000-09-11 16:25 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=214205&group_i… Category: nntp/news >Group: 2.1 final Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 7 Submitted By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Assigned to: Barry A. Warsaw (bwarsaw) >Summary: e-mail&lt;-&gt;usenet gateway Reply-To header (PR#303) Initial Comment: Jitterbug-Id: 303 Submitted-By: orion(a)tribble.dyndns.org Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Version: 2.0beta4 OS: Debian linux potato I'm running a plain e-mail<->usenet gateway. When someone replies to a usenet post through the list, his e-mail client sets an In-Reply-To: header instead of a Reply-To: header. This causes newsreaders to improperly thread messages. I inserted the following bit into Mailman/Handlers/ToUsenet.py at around line 82: # if the message is a reply to a previous post, change the header so # that newsreaders can thread it properly if msg.getheader('in-reply-to'): msg.headers.append('References: %s\n' % msg.getheader('in-reply-to')) del msg['in-reply-to'] I'm happy to say that this solved the problem. (before you laugh at me, take note that I never looked at python before.) ==================================================================== Audit trail: None ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Barry A. Warsaw (bwarsaw) Date: 2002-12-24 00:07 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=12800 Sigh. Very doubtful I'll get to look at the threading issues before MM2.1 final. I'll address this again after the release. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Barry A. Warsaw (bwarsaw) Date: 2002-08-23 18:38 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=12800 Changing the group to 2.1 beta because I want to look at threading issues for gated messages before 2.1 final is released. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Giovanni Lopedote (giuans) Date: 2002-05-01 08:34 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=531451 What a coincidence! I had the same problem and I looked into the code, then modified it to work properly. The coincidence is that my patch is *identical* to yours. So, for sure it works :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Barry A. Warsaw (bwarsaw) Date: 2000-09-27 17:00 Message: RFC 2076 says nothing about using In-Reply-To for news, so it might not be a bad idea to copy In-Reply-To to References when gating a message from mail to news. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Barry A. Warsaw (bwarsaw) Date: 2000-09-19 12:48 Message: This sounds like the email client in question is broken. Mine for example, correctly inserts References: headers and the news readers properly thread the messages. I'm not inclined to cater to broken email or news clients. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=214205&group_i…

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[ mailman-Bugs-621689 ] Subscribe requests dropped from admin db
by noreply＠sourceforge.net 30 Dec '02

30 Dec '02

Bugs item #621689, was opened at 2002-10-10 23:10 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=621689&group_i… Category: (un)subscribing >Group: 2.1 final Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 7 Submitted By: Mark Dadgar (mdadgar) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Subscribe requests dropped from admin db Initial Comment: Occasionally, subscribe requests (via the web page) to a list that requires moderator approval for subscriptions never make it to the admin db for that list. They are listed in the subscribe log file, but never show up on the admin db page. Log file entries look like this: Oct 10 18:43:43 2002 (31168) eventmasters: pending XXXXXX.swfla.rr.com But the admin db page for the list shows no outstanding issues. I have verified that there was an actual subscription request behind this log entry. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Barry A. Warsaw (bwarsaw) Date: 2002-12-24 00:06 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=12800 I definitely need more information. I've neve been able to reproduce the problem. Do you think it could be related to the unofficial patches you've applied? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Mark Dadgar (mdadgar) Date: 2002-12-06 02:29 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=598228 Ok, I verified that it's still a problem under 2.1b5 with the htdig and indexing patches. It's a real drag, too. :( Please let me know if you need more debug info. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Mark Dadgar (mdadgar) Date: 2002-11-22 01:08 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=598228 Unfortunately, it's still occurring under 2.1b4. I'll check it under 2.1b5 as soon as the patches for htdig integration are released, as I need those to implement. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Barry A. Warsaw (bwarsaw) Date: 2002-10-22 10:11 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=12800 I'm going to defer this one until 2.1b4 goes out. I've fixed some related bugs in cvs, so hopefully this will be fixed in the new version. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Mark Dadgar (mdadgar) Date: 2002-10-20 13:14 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=598228 Sorry - I'm running 2.1b3. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Barry A. Warsaw (bwarsaw) Date: 2002-10-20 11:48 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=12800 What version of Mailman are you using. It's import to know the exact version, i.e. 2.1beta3, or if you're running from cvs. A lot of these problems have been fixed in cvs, which will soon be released as 2.1 beta 4. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Mark Dadgar (mdadgar) Date: 2002-10-11 00:29 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=598228 I just verified, by cat'ing pending.pck, that the appropriate changes seem to be in there. But the web interface never picks them up. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=621689&group_i…

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[ mailman-Bugs-657443 ] Header and footer in multipart
by noreply＠sourceforge.net 30 Dec '02

30 Dec '02

Bugs item #657443, was opened at 2002-12-22 03:08 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=657443&group_i… Category: mail delivery >Group: 2.1 final Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Demeilliez Bruno (dive_bruno) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Header and footer in multipart Initial Comment: Hi, I have install mailman 2.1b6 on redhat 7.1. My mailling list is in french and when I received mail from the list with theBat, the header and the footer is in multipart (like at the end). I would like the bady and the footer was in the same message. Can you tell me if it's a bug or a configuration problem ? And how I can resolve it ? Thank's for your help. Bruno Example : .... From: Bruno Demeilliez <webmaster(a)aquanaute.com> X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62 Christmas Edition) Organization: Aquanaute.com X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <11916819925.20021222110418(a)aquanaute.com> To: test2(a)aquanaute.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Test X-BeenThere: test2(a)aquanaute.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bruno Demeilliez <webmaster(a)aquanaute.com>, test2(a)aquanaute.com List-Id: <test2.aquanaute.com> List-Help: <mailto:test2-request@aquanaute.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:test2@aquanaute.com> List-Subscribe: <http://www.aquanaute.com/mailman/listinfo/test2>, <mailto:test2-request@aquanaute.com?subject=subscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.aquanaute.com/pipermail/test2> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.aquanaute.com/mailman/listinfo/test2>, <mailto:test2-request@aquanaute.com?subject=unsubscribe> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2617006012765839==" Sender: test2-bounces(a)aquanaute.com Errors-To: test2-bounces(a)aquanaute.com --===============2617006012765839== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit content-type: text/plain Bonjour test2, Amicalement, Bruno --- Pour l'équipe d'Aquanaute.com http://www.aquanaute.com SARL de presse Aquanaute.com 8 rue Duployé 38100 Grenoble France Tél et Fax : 04 76 99 93 77 --===============2617006012765839== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit _______________________________________________ Liste de discussion Test2 Liste hébergée et administrée gratuitement par Aquanaute.com Présentation de la liste, Abonnement / Désabonnement : http://www.aquanaute.com/mailman/listinfo/test2 Archives de la liste : http://aquanaute.com/listes/Test2/ --===============2617006012765839==-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=657443&group_i…

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[ mailman-Bugs-219808 ] Missing dependancy for 'configure'.
by noreply＠sourceforge.net 30 Dec '02

30 Dec '02

Bugs item #219808, was opened at 2000-10-30 17:13 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=219808&group_i… Category: configuring/installing >Group: 2.1 final Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 7 Submitted By: Thomas Wouters (twouters) Assigned to: Thomas Wouters (twouters) Summary: Missing dependancy for 'configure'. Initial Comment: The Mailman makefile is missing a dependancy on 'configure', so when 'configure' is updated, it isn't re-run automatically, and you aren't warned to reconfigure. (definately low-priority bug though :) (I also ran into something weird when running 'config.status' to do the reconfiguring for me... it set 'MAILMAN_UID' in Defaults.py to 'mailman', without quotes, instead of the numeric uid. That might be caused by a mix of an old config.status and a new configure, though, as I wasn't able to reproduce it on another box.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=219808&group_i…

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[ mailman-Bugs-451475 ] header munging ruins threading
by noreply＠sourceforge.net 30 Dec '02

30 Dec '02

Bugs item #451475, was opened at 2001-08-16 03:55 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=451475&group_i… Category: nntp/news >Group: 2.1 final Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 7 Submitted By: CrackMonkey (monkeymaster) Assigned to: Barry A. Warsaw (bwarsaw) Summary: header munging ruins threading Initial Comment: The header hacking done by ToUsenet.py ruins threading in mail! It takes a perfectly good message ID, and throws it away! news replies to a mail message appear to be replies to the parent (since the news messag references contain the references of the parent + some crazy mailman message ID). This is bogus. At the very least, could you add the real message ID somewhere so that newsreaders will include it in the references headers? Some of us actually use threaded mailers, you know! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Barry A. Warsaw (bwarsaw) Date: 2002-04-12 12:16 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=12800 The problem is that many NNTP servers are really picky about message-id's; they won't allow duplicates, and they won't allow cross-postings with the same message-id. I suppose if the message had an id we could try to preserve it, attempt a post, and if that's rejected by the nntpd, we could try again with our own crafted message-id. I'm up for any suggestions that are rfc-compliant and work with the widest range of currently existing nntpds. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=451475&group_i…

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[ mailman-Bugs-659014 ] decoration problems with German lists
by noreply＠sourceforge.net 30 Dec '02

30 Dec '02

Bugs item #659014, was opened at 2002-12-27 09:25 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=659014&group_i… Category: mail delivery >Group: 2.1 final Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Jost Krieger (jkrieger) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: decoration problems with German lists Initial Comment: 1. German is one of the languages where the mapping to a acharacter set is currently ambiguous: If you want a Euro sign, you have to use iso-8859-15, most people still have iso-8859-1 and some have iso-8859-2 (which also contains all German glyphs). 2. People hat getting there mails in three text/plain parts (partly due to the deficiencies of their mail readers). 3. List owners tend to put plain ASCII into their header and footer files, but this doesn't help, unfortunately, as Mailman still thinks it *must* be iso-8859-1. 4. MIME RFCs recommend taking the lowest compatible charset. This sometimes leads to Mailman messages consisting of three ASCII parts. One longtime solution would be to upgrade everything to Unicode and downgrade it later on as far as possible. This sounds expensive, though. Another, cheaper possibility might be to attach a character set to haeders and footers. Jost ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=659014&group_i…

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Mailman-Developers December 2002