Mailman 3 April 2002 - Mailman-Developers

qrunner still broken
by Brett Delmage April 7, 2002

April 7, 2002

I'm still getting the same errors as below, with the latest CVS (as of today) and a clean build/compile/install. I would sure appreciate any hints -- even the right questions to get me checking the right things. On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Brett Delmage wrote: > I updated from 2.1a4 to 2.1b1 this weekend. SuSE 7.3, python 2.1.1 > > A problem showed up during make install, where paths.py was not copied > into the bin, scripts, cron directories. I copied it in manually and that > cleared the initial problems: the Cgi parts seemed to work (without > exhaustive testing). > > Now I'm running into the followuing problems with qrunner but I am not > sure where to look. Suggestions? It looks like it might still be related > to paths.py? > > Brett > > > > # bin/mailmanctl start > Starting Mailman's master qrunner. > Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.VirginRunner > Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.CommandRunner > Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.IncomingRunner > Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.ArchRunner > Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.BounceRunner > Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.NewsRunner > Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.OutgoingRunner > > > in logs/error: > > Mar 18 00:41:58 2002 mailmanctl(4463): > Mar 18 00:42:06 2002 qrunner(4472): Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.VirginRunner > Mar 18 00:42:06 2002 qrunner(4468): Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.CommandRunner > Mar 18 00:42:06 2002 qrunner(4469): Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.IncomingRunner > Mar 18 00:42:07 2002 qrunner(4466): Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.ArchRunner > Mar 18 00:42:08 2002 qrunner(4467): Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.BounceRunner > Mar 18 00:42:08 2002 qrunner(4470): Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.NewsRunner > Mar 18 00:42:08 2002 qrunner(4471): Cannot import runner module Mailman.Queue.OutgoingRunner > > in logs/qrunner: > > Mar 18 00:42:06 2002 (4465) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit > (pid: 4472, sig: 0, sts: 15, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) > Mar 18 00:42:06 2002 (4465) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit > (pid: 4468, sig: 0, sts: 15, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) > Mar 18 00:42:06 2002 (4465) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit > (pid: 4469, sig: 0, sts: 15, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) > Mar 18 00:42:07 2002 (4465) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit > (pid: 4466, sig: 0, sts: 15, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) > Mar 18 00:42:08 2002 (4465) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit > (pid: 4467, sig: 0, sts: 15, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) > Mar 18 00:42:08 2002 (4465) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit > (pid: 4470, sig: 0, sts: 15, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) > Mar 18 00:42:08 2002 (4465) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit > (pid: 4471, sig: 0, sts: 15, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-Developers mailing list > Mailman-Developers(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers >

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One more typo
by Jon Parise April 7, 2002

April 7, 2002

Any hopefully the last typo fix for a while. =) -- Jon Parise (jon(a)csh.rit.edu) . Information Technology (2001) http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/ : Computer Science House Member

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Error after moving list?
by Bill Bradford April 7, 2002

April 7, 2002

I'm attempting to move a mailing list from one machine to the other. I've installed Mailman on the second machine, created the list, mirrored the contents of ~mailman/list/<listname>, mirror the archived files, fixed the aliases, etc, but when I try to post to the new list: Apr 07 17:01:08 2002 qrunner(18476): Traceback (most recent call last): Apr 07 17:01:08 2002 qrunner(18476): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", l ine 282, in ? Apr 07 17:01:08 2002 qrunner(18476): kids = main(lock) Apr 07 17:01:08 2002 qrunner(18476): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", l ine 247, in main Apr 07 17:01:08 2002 qrunner(18476): mlist.Lock(timeout=mm_cfg.LIST_LOCK_TI MEOUT) Apr 07 17:01:08 2002 qrunner(18476): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList .py", line 1339, in Lock Apr 07 17:01:08 2002 qrunner(18476): self.__lock.lock(timeout) Apr 07 17:01:08 2002 qrunner(18476): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile .py", line 272, in lock Apr 07 17:01:08 2002 qrunner(18476): os.unlink(self.__tmpfname) Apr 07 17:01:08 2002 qrunner(18476): OSError : [Errno 2] No such file or direct ory: '/usr/local/mailman/locks/sunmanagers.lock.sunmgrs.cs.toronto.edu.18476' This is 2.0.9 on Solaris 8/Postfix. Suggestions? Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Another typo
by Jon Parise April 7, 2002

April 7, 2002

The attached patch fixes another small typo. -- Jon Parise (jon(a)csh.rit.edu) . Information Technology (2001) http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/ : Computer Science House Member

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Re-use of private archive cookies
by Forrest Aldrich April 7, 2002

April 7, 2002

For one of the lists I manage, I would like to provide an accompanying "file repository" archive. Instead of putting up a separate directory with an .htaccess/.htpasswd combination, I thought it might be reasonable to add a radio button to the authentication page (where the user enters his email address and password) to optionally access that repository. The goal being that once someone authenticated there, the same cookie could be used. And thus it would expire similarly. It's otherwise cumbersome to dig the config.db to get passwords and then enter them into .htpasswd. This might require some scripting for the document repository, I'm not sure. Anyhow, I wondered if someone had considered this as a feature or had otherwise implemented it. Yes, someone could just "post" documents to the list, but that could be cumbersome when there are many threads to consider. Thanks alot, Forrest

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no such file config.pck updating to 2.1b1
by Georg Koch April 6, 2002

April 6, 2002

Hi, I am trying to update from 2.1a2 to 2.1b1 (on a SUN Sparc Solaris7 machine), unfortunately with some hundreds of users waiting. When I updated python from 1.5.2 to 2.2.1c1, mailman 2.1a2 broke immediately with "ImportError: No module named mimelib.Parser". The installation of 2.1b1 abended in the Makefile of the bin subdirectory with a syntax error on for f in $(NONSCRIPTS); \ do \ $(INSTALL) -m $(FILEMODE) $$f $(SCRIPTSDIR); \ done; \ fi because "NONSCRIPTS= ". After I commented these lines out the installation continued but stopped in bin/update with the line OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/h/mailman/lists/test/config.pck' because the configuration is stored as config.db. How do I convert the config.db to config.pck ? Best wishes Georg ---------------- output of bin/updated --------------- Upgrading from version 0x20100a2 to 0x20100b1 getting rid of old source files removing /h/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py removing /h/mailman/scripts/mailcmd removing /h/mailman/scripts/mailowner removing /h/mailman/mail/wrapper removing directory /h/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib and everything underneath removing /h/mailman/cgi-bin/archives Updating mailing list: test Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 542, in ? errors = main() File "bin/update", line 424, in main errors = errors + dolist(listname) File "bin/update", line 184, in dolist mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) File "/h/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 102, in __init__ self.Load() File "/h/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 534, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/h/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 496, in __load mtime = os.path.getmtime(dbfile) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/posixpath.py", line 144, in getmtime st = os.stat(filename) OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/h/mailman/lists/test/config.pck' ---------------------------------- -------------- output of http://ourhost/mailman/listinfo -------- Traceback (most recent call last): File "/h/mailman/scripts/driver", line 82, in run_main main() File "/h/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 42, in main listinfo_overview() File "/h/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 85, in listinfo_overview mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) File "/h/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 102, in __init__ self.Load() File "/h/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 534, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/h/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 496, in __load mtime = os.path.getmtime(dbfile) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/posixpath.py", line 144, in getmtime st = os.stat(filename) OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/h/mailman/lists/accstaff/config.pck' --------------------------------------- -- -- Georg Koch (koch(a)cochrane.de) | Phone: +49 761 203 6710 German Cochrane Centre | Fax: +49 761 203 6712 Mail: Institute of Medical Biometry and Medical Informatics Stefan-Meier-Strasse 26, D-79104 Freiburg, Germany "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure." (Mark Twain)

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templating, search, and stuff...
by David Jeske April 6, 2002

April 6, 2002

I've manually dug through one too many pipermail archives, so I've decided it's time to help fix the problem by connecting a search index to mailman/pipermail. I'm probably going to use mifluz (after I swig a python wrapper for it). If anyone has this in progress or wants to coordinate on it, drop me a note. Also, in fishing through the TODO list, I notice that adding some kind of templating system is still on there. I want to point [whomever] at a really easy to use and fast templating system called Clearsilver. It's a open-source cousin to the template system we used at eGroups.com and is still used for Yahoo Groups, and it's 'really great'. I'd love to convert Mailman over myself, but I'm quite sure I won't find the time. If someone wants to put work into this, I'm happy to help with some tech support and examples. Of course it already has a Python wrapper, as much of eGroups.com (and some of Yahoo Groups) is written in Python. http://www.clearsilver.net/ -- David Jeske (N9LCA) + http://www.chat.net/~jeske/ + jeske(a)chat.net

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Yet another weird-a$$ potential attack problem...
by J C Lawrence April 6, 2002

April 6, 2002

On Thu, 04 Apr 2002 23:09:32 -0800 Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui(a)plaidworks.com> wrote: > On 4/4/02 10:49 PM, "J C Lawrence" <claw(a)kanga.nu> wrote: >> Keep the just-hit-reply model, > How about keeping the reply model, but requiring the reply come from > the address being subscribed? Problem: That breaks across forwarders. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] templating, search, and stuff...
by J C Lawrence April 6, 2002

April 6, 2002

On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:25:48 +0200 Norbert Bollow <nb(a)thinkcoach.com> wrote: >> Improving the templating system (for MM3) is more than just picking >> one and going with it. The real issue is that folks want to put all >> kinds of web skins on Mailman, to integrate them into their own way >> of managing their sites. Some people don't care about the >> integration, and for them we can pick a Good One and use that as the >> default. But they've got to be able to chuck it, design their own >> web interface, and integrate it easily into Mailman. For that we >> need APIs, a clean architecture, and component-like system. > I'd suggest to look at what phpGroupWare is doing and be as compatible > with that as possible. phpGroupWare, Zope/ZPT, PhpLib -- there are literally dozens of commonly used templating systems. Choice of templating system is not the question or the problem. Much like making Mailman specific to one specific MTA would be silly, making it specific to one particular templating system would equally be stupid. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Yet another weird-a$$ potential attack problem...
by J C Lawrence April 6, 2002

April 6, 2002

On Fri, 05 Apr 2002 20:48:53 -0800 Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui(a)plaidworks.com> wrote: > On 4/5/02 8:41 PM, "Ron Jarrell" <jarrell(a)vt.edu> wrote: >> At which point he'll refuse to confirm your subscription unless you >> can bring him a shrubbery. > Almost makes me sorry I brought this up. Was just trying to help. I > sure didn't expect the bloody spanish inquisition... Ni! -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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