Mailman 3 October 2003 - Mailman-Developers

Bug in mailman 2.1 with unsubscribe
by Kory Wheatley Oct. 10, 2003

Oct. 10, 2003

Is there a bug in mailman 2.1, when trying to use the global password I cannot unsubscribe subscribers from a mailing list using an email command. I've tried the following, "I've been able to do this in past verisons with Mailman". I sent a request to "test-request(a)mm.isu.edu" with the following unsubscribe globalpassword address=emailaccount(a)isu.edu end -- Kory Wheatley Academic Computing Analyst Sr. Phone 282-3874 ######################################### Everything must point to him.

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Problem with MM after power outage
by Bill Bradford Oct. 10, 2003

Oct. 10, 2003

After power was restored and the machine came up, Mailman (2.1.2) is now spitting out errors: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run filecnt = self._oneloop() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 144, in dequeue data = self._ext_read(dbfile) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 246, in _ext_read dict = marshal.load(fp) ValueError: bad marshal data Any suggestions? Worked fine before power got yanked... Bill -- bill bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net austin, texas

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Mailman/pipermail/MHonArc integration patch
by Richard Barrett Oct. 9, 2003

Oct. 9, 2003

I have posted a new enhancement patch for MM 2.1.3 to sourceforge. The Mailman/pipermail/MHonArc integration patch tightly integrates the MHonArc mail-to-HTML convertor with Mailman and its internal pipermail archiving code. The purpose of the patch is to produce a fusion of (hopefully) the best features of pipermail and MHonArc for handling Mailman mailing list archives. For more detail see patch content: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/ ?func=detail&aid=820723&group_id=103&atid=300103 or: http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/mhonarc/index.html Any problems or comments, let me know. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk

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Retrieving individual messages from raw Mailman mboxes via http
by Andy Sy Oct. 9, 2003

Oct. 9, 2003

I am thinking of adapting a collapsible, outlinable, no-page refresh, on-demand message-body load browser-based message thread interface I made (see http://www.neotitans.com/page.gif) to work with GNU Mailman (among other things) lists. Ideally, I would like it to function as a 'www-interface gateway' that works with all existing Mailman raw archives. From what I've been researching, one would need some kind of index into the raw mbox file, either a mail summary file format or a database which would contain file seek pointers into the raw mbox. It would then use a ranged HTTP request to retrieve only the particular message body it needs to display (would this work?). Several issues arise which I'd be glad to have input on from the experts on this list: I. Which mbox index / mail summary file format to use? The Mozilla .msf format looks like a strong candidate. Does anyone have other suggestions? Does Mailman maintain such a mail summary file and is it publicly accessible by default? II. index / mail summary file performance and maintenance Mozilla .msf files can be regenerated on the fly but for a 100MB mailbox (Python-list's is 600MB+!), it already takes fairly long (a few minutes). Assuming index file corruption is very rare, then this should not be a real problem. III. index / mail summary file hosting issues If an index/mail summary file is not available by default, and such a www-interface gateway were to work with no additional work on the list manager's part, then the index/mail summary file would have to be generated by the machine hosting the gateway instead. - What then, would be the mechanics of the (constant) remote reindexing that would need to be done as new messages come in? Would it be possible to just constantly poll the size of the raw mbox and if it has changed, to just reindex using data starting from the last retrieved file position? - How often do list admins compact/expunge their raw archive mboxes? Everytime they do, afaik, it would require the index / mail summary file to be regenerated. - Is it possible, then, for the www-interface gateway to automatically sense if the remotely hosted raw archive mbox has been expunged/compacted? - Also, how would the www-interface gateway machine know when its index / mail summary file has been corrupted? A second possible approach would be for the www-interface gateway machine to maintain its own copy of the raw archive and constantly rsync it with the one maintained by the list admin. This will probably only be feasible if Mailman list admins provide rsync access to the raw mailbox archive. - Would adding rsync serving of the raw mailbox to Mailman be a good idea? (If it was in Mailman, it is more likely to be enabled by default). -- ========================================= reply-to: a n d y @ n e t f x p h . c o m http://www.neotitans.com Web and Software Development

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rsync'able Mailman archive
by Andy Sy Oct. 9, 2003

Oct. 9, 2003

For a huge list like http://www.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl/ (104MB), being able to download the raw archive is a blessing. For those newsgroups which have (hallelujah) Mailman versions, this means no more fiddling with infernal newsreader features. Just: 1. Fetch huge archive efficiently your favorite download client. 2. Drop the mbox format file into your mail client directory (like Mozilla Mail) 3. voila! A configurable, collapsible-threadable, searchable, completely complete (yeah!) local version of the whole list. PROBLEM ======= is... how do you update your local mbox copy efficiently? I, can, for example, get a snapshot of the SDL archives as it stands today, subscribe to the mailing list, and basically ensure my local 'mirror' is both complete and up-to-date. BUT... what if I want to stop subscribing for a while, and then 3 months down the road I want a complete version of the mailing list again? I would then have to download the (now larger) full archive all over again. The solution is to make the archive downloads rsync'able. Which brings me to the topic of this post: QUESTION 1 ========== Is making the archive rsync'able a responsibility of the list administrator or... wouldn't it be better to build such support in Mailman (to allow people who are OC about getting the complete list to save time and avoid wasting gobs of bandwidth)? QUESTION 2 ========== Once I start subscribing to the list, my local mbox-format copy of the list is now being updated locally and thus will not be byte-for-byte identical to the Mailman archive. If I then rsync said mailbox with Mailman's, will the differences then be 'repaired' efficiently (like rsync is supposed to do)? A HACKISH WORKAROUND IN THE ABSENCE OF RSYNC SUPPORT ==================================================== Deliberately truncate your local mbox copy to a size smaller than it was when you FIRST updated it locally (you have to remember what its size was), and then resume copy transferring from that point. -- ========================================= reply-to: a n d y @ n e t f x p h . c o m http://www.neotitans.com Web and Software Development

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RE: [Mailman-Developers] Mass Subscriptions
by Wendt, Trevor Oct. 9, 2003

Oct. 9, 2003

Great. Thanks you. -Trevor -----Original Message----- From: Barry Warsaw [mailto:barry@python.org] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 2:11 PM To: Wendt, Trevor Cc: mailman-developers(a)python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mass Subscriptions On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 14:53, Wendt, Trevor wrote: > Is there a way to Mass Subscribe users with email address AND names? Yes, just add lines like: aperson(a)example.com (Anne Person) -Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mass Subscriptions
by Barry Warsaw Oct. 9, 2003

Oct. 9, 2003

On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 14:53, Wendt, Trevor wrote: > Is there a way to Mass Subscribe users with email address AND names? Yes, just add lines like: aperson(a)example.com (Anne Person) -Barry

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lost data files for filebase
by Jerry Spaulding Oct. 9, 2003

Oct. 9, 2003

I saw a person post this error before, as message msg06414.html, however it was never replied to. I am running mailman 2.1.3, on darwin 6.6, with sendmail and python 2.3.2. EVERY message that hits a mailing list generates an error like the following: Oct 06 13:54:06 2003 (3023) lost data files for filebase: 1065441827.233952+cc8c4e6961e97c01925928c146f86bf60d5631e8 Oct 06 13:54:06 2003 (3023) lost data files for filebase: 1065441828.512211+e9303f43ad805907b98d1d6eeabc8d4115814e73 Oct 06 13:54:06 2003 (3023) lost data files for filebase: 1065441836.168941+8b36b6837fd56ddca5445a6364c8f90023a34595 Oct 06 13:54:07 2003 (3023) lost data files for filebase: 1065096079.044391+e238fc06af286fd08d452d4807dbee54368bd3b1 Should I go back to python 2.1.x? Mail is still getting through, but the log files are growing FAST. Thanks for your time.

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maximum limit of addresses per list
by Chris Szilagyi Oct. 9, 2003

Oct. 9, 2003

Hello, We use Mailman 2.1.2 and I am curious if there is a way to set a maximum number of addresses that are allowed in each individual list. I have looked through the documentation and have not seen anything regarding a limit like this. Or, if this is currently not supported in Mailman, has anybody found a workaround to handle something like this, or are there any provisions for this feature in any future releases of Mailman?? Thank you for all feedback. -- Chris

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] HTML Emails
by Barry Warsaw Oct. 9, 2003

Oct. 9, 2003

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 16:25, Wendt, Trevor wrote: > I'm looking at using Mailman to distribute a multipart Text / HTML email message. The Text message is displayed for Text only email viewers and the HTML message is displayed for HTML capable email viewers. I'm using a separate CGI script to create the multipart email message which is then sent to my distribution list. This process works great. > > My question is this; When using the setup outlined above, are there any tokens (such as %(users)s) that I can use in the HTML email message content so when it is passed through Mailman, Mailman would then replace the token with a user's name, email address, or append the full url for the customer's options page? > > This functionality exists in Mailman because all the email templates work on this method. I guess what I need to know is if and how one can tap into this functionality with pass through emails. Any suggestions would be appreciated. No, not externally. IOW, Mailman doesn't mailmerge. But if you wanted to hack some Python, you could probably make it work. I plan on working on a more efficient personalization implementation for the next release. I'll keep an eye on making it extensible (but only through Python). -Barry

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