Mailman 3 December 2004 - Mailman-Developers

RE: [Mailman-Developers] Min requirements for running Mailman?
by John.Airey＠rnib.org.uk 31 May '05

31 May '05

> -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-developers-bounces+john.airey=rnib.org.uk(a)python.org > [mailto:mailman-developers-bounces+john.airey=rnib.org.uk@pyth > on.org]On > Behalf Of Tollef Fog Heen > Sent: Monday, 06 September 2004 16:47 > To: mailman-developers(a)python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Developers] Min requirements for > running Mailman? > > > * Nigel Metheringham > > | I'd tend to take this as:- > | * Mailman is a bitch to package > > Not really. It's fairly well-behaved in my experience. It's a > semi-large web application with some requirements, but nothing > unreasonable. > > | * RH have packaged it for a while > | * RH found a good few of the gotchas in packaging Mailman > | * RH have subsequently learnt from their mistakes and recently > | have produced good packages. > | * Other distros may do better, or may yet have to > learn from their > | mistakes :-) > > Mailman has been in Debian since June 1998 (1.0b4), so we've been > working on it for a while as well. I think our packages are of good > quality (far from perfect, but making perfect packages is _a lot_ of > work. ;) > Just to throw my tuppence worth in... I've used mailman since Red Hat 7.2. I found that the version that came with Red Hat 9.0 wouldn't work for me (ie I couldn't upgrade to it) so I stuck with the 7.2 version (2.0.13) till the end of Red Hat 9 support. We are now running the 2.1.5 version that comes with Fedora but running it on Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL). I did however have to recreate all the lists by hand in an overnight shift (what fun that was...) a few days before leaving the country (hence the rush). At that time I didn't know I could export the configuration (Doh!). Red Hat have taken some packages out of RHEL eg arpwatch and mysql-server (although this is in the "extras" channel) even though these are in the source RPM. Mailman is currently not included but might be being put back in to RHEL 4.0. I would like to hope so, as I find 2.1.5 far superior to 2.0.13. -- John Airey, BSc (Jt Hons), CNA, RHCE Internet systems support officer, ITCSD, Royal National Institute of the Blind, Bakewell Road, Peterborough PE2 6XU, Tel.: +44 (0) 1733 375299 Fax: +44 (0) 1733 370848 John.Airey(a)rnib.org.uk To truly believe in Evolution requires complete faith that life has no meaning. Fortunately there are billions of people who aren't that stupid. -- DISCLAIMER: NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you should not use, disclose, distribute or copy any of the content of it or of any attachment; you are requested to notify the sender immediately of your receipt of the email and then to delete it and any attachments from your system. RNIB endeavours to ensure that emails and any attachments generated by its staff are free from viruses or other contaminants. However, it cannot accept any responsibility for any such which are transmitted. We therefore recommend you scan all attachments. Please note that the statements and views expressed in this email and any attachments are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RNIB. RNIB Registered Charity Number: 226227 Website: http://www.rnib.org.uk

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mailman-2.1.6a2 is out
by Tokio Kikuchi 08 Jan '05

08 Jan '05

Hi Developers and I18Ners, I've bumped version number of mailman to 2.1.6a2 (a1 was not announced) and made a tarball at my mailman-japanese site. Please get it at: http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1.6a2.tgz Mailman 2.1.6 should be compatible with Python 2.4 and including some nice new features such as numbering in subject prefix and filtering attachments by filename extensions. Please download and test it and help us fixing bugs. Cheers, -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/

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Dates again
by Steven Kuck 03 Jan '05

03 Jan '05

I see this topic has been discussed years ago, but I recently started running some MailMan lists and this problem came up almost as soon as I started running it. (Version 2.1.5) Users WILL NOT set their clocks to some nicely synchronized time. This is especially true since many of my subscribers are computer neophytes. When sorted by date, some replies come before the original posting. The worst offender is actually a highly competent computer user who claims to have a defective clock in his laptop that produces messages from the year 2080. (The truth of his claim is immaterial.) In an ideal world, these things would never happen. This is not an ideal world. There was a discussion about "not munging" the headers as a validation for objecting to altering the "Date" header. Considering the actions of "CookHeaders.py" and other files that variously alter the "Reply To" header, delete unwanted headers, and obviously alter the "Subject" line, these objections seem weak, if not ironic. The date set by the senders computer is not sacrosanct. While it may have some "meaning," it is of no "use." Also, if the date isn't set properly, it probably isn't even important to the sender. Since all of these messages are, in fact, being sent by my server I think it quite reasonable to change the "Date" to reflect the time that it was processed and changed by the server. I'm the one who has to answer questions about why the archive dates seem wrong and who is ultimately responsible for the smooth operation of the service. I would LIKE this to be an option that I could set. I do not have the time or inclination to write the code to make this a user option. However, since it something I wanted applied to all of my lists, I added the code to copy the "Date" field to "X-Original-Date" and put in the server's time as the "Date." Suddenly, my new archives are coherent. I don't have to worry about aberrant or obnoxious users. I only added six lines of code (and two imports) to "CookHeaders.py" to make this work. PLEASE tell me I wasted my time and there is a simple option I can set! Tell me that I don't have to port this code when I want to upgrade! I don't speak Python, and I know I imported more than necessary, but it seems to work. I'm including the code changes both to share what I found to be Very Useful and to have others sanity-check my code. As I said, I never wrote a line of Python before this. Steven Kuck PS I considered sending this message from the year 2080 as I've had to deal with, but I thought I'd give you a chance to implement this patch first. PPS No, I don't WANT there to be a "fuzzfactor" allowing "close enough" dates. Server Time Only. # SKuck Header additions to CookHeaders.py of Mailman 2.1.5 - Nov 18, 2004 import time from email.Utils import parsedate_tz, mktime_tz, formatdate # End SKuck Header additions ... msg['List-Id'] = listid_h # The above included as an insertion location reference. I think it'll work from anywhere in "def process" # SKuck added to pounce on bad email time stamps. originaldate = msg.get('date') receivedtime = formatdate(time.time()) del msg['date'] del msg['x-original-date'] msg['Date'] = receivedtime msg['X-Original-Date'] = originaldate # End SKuck added ...

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01 Jan '05

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Bug when canceling invites...
by Carson Gaspar 01 Jan '05

01 Jan '05

If the invited person uses the link included in an invite and tries to cancel the invitation themselves, this happens.... Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Tools/SunOS_5.9_i86pc/mailman-2.1.5/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/Tools/SunOS_5.9_i86pc/mailman-2.1.5/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 114, in main subscription_cancel(mlist, doc, cookie) File "/Tools/SunOS_5.9_i86pc/mailman-2.1.5/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 312, in subscription_cancel userdesc = mlist.pend_confirm(cookie)[1] File "/Tools/SunOS_5.9_i86pc/mailman-2.1.5/Mailman/Pending.py", line 141, in pend_confirm assert self.Locked() AssertionError Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.3.4 (#1, Oct 5 2004, 07:57:49) [C]

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31 Dec '04

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31 Dec '04

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31 Dec '04

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31 Dec '04

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