Mailman-Developers December 2004

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Arch docs?
by Alan Batie 27 Dec '04

27 Dec '04

I had my mailman up and quit working last week, possibly related to someone removing a couple of lists, but I can find no clue as to why. I installed a fresh 2.1.5 (I think the previous was at 2.1.3), to no avail. I'm not asking for help debugging the problem, as not only is this not the right place, but short of getting someone to root around my system, I don't think it would even be possible. What I would like is a pointer to some sort of architectural overview, so *I* can root around my system myself, with a better idea of where I'm headed than tracing the code line by line. http://zope.org/Members/bwarsaw/MailmanDesignNotes/SplittingQrunner gave some hints, but I couldn't find anything more detailed... Thanks!

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Complex code such as header and footer in the messages sent by mailman
by Ulisse 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

In past, i have posted about the capability to insert html code or banner such as header and footer in the messages sent by mailman mailing lists. In fact for a production site it is not good the limit to insert simple test or link in header and footer. Have someone news about an hack patch, rpm, instructions or similar about the capability to insert complex code such as header and footer ? I think to put in a Freelancer site (http://www.getacoder.com/ , http://www.getafreelancer.com/ , http://freelanceauctionnetwork.com/ or similar ) a bid about this problem, but i have a limitate budget. Is it difficult to make this type of modification ? ............................. I have to say I have the same questions. I think this is a valid question and the stuff on these links only confuses me more. I love this system, and I only vaguely seem to remember about 11 subliminal messages that basically tell you no - that this system isn't designed for those frills. If that's not the case, could someone please answer this question in a way people like me can understand? I am not a programmer, and I think a lot of these links are confusing to non-programmers. I still have a list of questions I can't seem to get answered (for myself), but am still thrilled with the system and have been making it work in a way that I love. For instance: 1) Can you add an html header to the emails? I still don't get it. I read the links you provided, and their sub-links. 2) Is there a way so people subscribing don't go back into that archaic interface - when it asks them to accept or decline the list it's flat out confusing - text overwhelm - my user base is consumers and not programmers. Why should a) they have too choose or deny when they are clicking on a link to confirm? It should just confirm them without another button text and w/o text overwhelm. and b) it takes them back to a list of all my lists, which I hate, or at least would like to have the option of avoiding, if I am not intending to mix all my subscribers. I don't want them to have the option of joining other groups unless I intend to give it to them. 3) I don't understand if you can attach PDFs where it says, i.e. to new subscribers, etc. When I attach one, it just inserts garble into the text box once the PDF file is uploaded. I can't tell if this is an error, or what, and if I can include additional text. Thanks, guys! Jonathan On Aug 16, 2004, at 3:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:04 PM +0200 2004-08-15, Ulisse wrote: At the moment i can insert, such as header and footer, in the messages sent via Mailman Mailing lists only pure text and links. Is it possible, for the administrator/moderator of the lists, to insert images, html code, banner, java feed or other complex code, such as header and footer, in every message sent via Mailman Mailing lists ??? If you had bothered to follow the instructions at <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? req=show&file=faq01.022.htp>, you should have been able to find (without too much trouble) the FAQ entry at <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? req=show&file=faq03.037.htp>. If yes. If it is possible... What is the system ??? Have you some instructions ? A link ? Exist an rpm or a modification ??? See above.

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Editing messages held for moderation
by Foo Bar 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

Hello, I run a mid-sized website (http://eh.net) for the Economic History Association, with some associated mailing lists. These lists have traditionally been very "moderated" (since we switched to Mailman, they've been left in "emergency" moderation mode) and our moderators insist on being able to edit the messages waiting in the moderation queue. I have already put together a terribly ugly little hack to manage this: I've added a link on the moderation page to edit a particular message; this passes the message's ID to a Python script entirely out of Mailman (protected by regular HTTP authentication) which proceeds to read the pickled file and display the message and certain key fields in a form, which another Python script will read and modify the original messages. (There's a little more going on here, actually, but if I told you the exact details you'd make fun of it. Heck, I make fun of it.) This method is suboptimal, particularly when it's fed messages in certain encoding schemes. And my unholy scheme for passing these data around between scripts is nigh unto reaching its limits. Now, the first item on Mailman's Wishlist for list administration is "Allow the moderator to edit posts being held for approval". I would like to reimplement this in a more clean fashion, prefrably properly integrated with Mailman. Taking a look at the developer wiki, however, I'm not quite sure where I should get started, and I'm note quite sure how up to date it is (due to little tidbits like "The current plan is to release Mailman 2.1 final by the end of 2002. It's been long overdue. Sigh.") There's also talk of Mailman 3. So... I'd just like to know what Mailman developers (presumably with more experience than I have) think about the best way to proceed, what versions of Mailman would be most amenable to this sort of a modification, if there's any sort of "Getting Started Hacking Mailman" or architectural overview of which I am not aware... whether I should bother with the IRC channels... and, to be specific on at least one topic, how the CGI wrappers in the mailman/cgi-bin/ directory are set up and operated.

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Updated web sites
by Barry Warsaw 22 Dec '04

22 Dec '04

I've finally regained access to all three websites, list.org, mailman.sf.net, and the GNU mirror, so I've pushed out the latest updates. There are the usual additions to the list of users, but much more importantly there's Terri's new user documentation, and my recent consolidation of the installation documentation. There's also a very incomplete list administrator's guide on the site (volunteers to help polish this up are welcome!). Please poke around the site, read the documentation and let us know if you find any errors. Note that the GNU mirror always lags a bit behind the other two sites. http://www.list.org should be up-to-date. Enjoy, -Barry

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[Fwd: [vendor-sec] Weak auto-generated passwords in Mailman]
by John Dennis 22 Dec '04

22 Dec '04

This was forwarded to me by our security officer. I believe the original author, Florian Weimer, intended to reach this list but did not know how to and instead went through his security contacts. Perhaps Florian's concerns would best be addressed in MM 3.0 and maybe this should be added to the MM 3.0 feature list. BTW, is there an independent MM 3.0 list? I thought I had heard such a beast existed, but my recollection is hazy. -- John Dennis <jdennis(a)redhat.com>

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Problem
by Simmo Siil 20 Dec '04

20 Dec '04

I changed subdomeen nad i need that mailman would run http://mail.domeen.com/mailman/ now it runs only http://www.domeen.com/admin/ If i open list then i cant change enyting i open it http://mail.domeen.com/mailman/ address but if i wanna open link, then is that address http://www.domeen.com/mailman/admin/in/general Where i need to change www to mail ? Saapakusti. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

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MySQL member adaptor update.
by Kyrian 13 Dec '04

13 Dec '04

Folks, Just a quick heads-up to say that I've finally uploaded a new version of this thing to the relevant discussion thread on sourceforge. Thanks to the CC'd persons for their input, and also to Barry for his thoughts, which I've implemented where possible, given my sparse knowledge of Python thus far. I've turned it into a tarball (coz I'm sick of uploading multiple files through sourceforge's somewhat klunky interface), added the option to use a 'flat', or 'wide' table structure, updated the docs, added some misc contribs, and applied some fixes to the data structure and SQL code used as per various suggestions. As mentioned on the discussion thread, it's untested, until I can prod $client into testing it on their server, although it ought to compile and work as far as I can tell. It's long, long overdue, hence the release in this manner. https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=839386&group_id=1… Lastly, if anyone can offer any resources on how to get eg. Pychecker working, or an IDE which supports Python, C, HTML, perl, etc. on Fedora then I'd appreciate the info, because my current development environment basically sucks for, well, everything. K. -- Kev Green, aka Kyrian. E: kyrian@ore.org WWW: http://kyrian.ore.org/ ISP/Perl/PHP/Linux/Security Contractor, via http://www.orenet.co.uk/ DJ via http://www.hellnoise.co.uk/

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config.pck password encryption inconsistencies
by ddewey＠cyberthugs.com 09 Dec '04

09 Dec '04

Hello; I currently run Mailman 2.1.5 on one server, and have web archives using MHonArc running on a different webserver. I have shell access to both. These archives are private, for list subscribers only. I am trying to implement .htaccess authentication using the instructions here: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.007.htp I have this script working although it required minor modifications to run under 2.1.5. This is a Fedora Core 2 install from source. The modified script creates the .htpasswd database on the mailmain server and scp's it to the webserver over a private net. Here's the issue I can't solve. It is clear that SOME user passwords in the lists' config.pck file are encrypted, and some aren't. This is within the SAME config.pck, I'm only running one list. When using 'dumpdb' to investigate the the users email/passwords, some of the passwords are definitely clear text. However, others (including all of my own, for various test subscriptions) are encrypted. The problem is that when I then use htpasswd to create the .htpasswd file, the encrypted passwords are re-encrypted again for use by apache. Therefore the only acceptable password for logging into the archives is the encrypted form. Here's an example using fake text: User passwd: Config.pck entry: .htpasswd: Accepted by Apache: tree Uasdf!d ljkjkld Uasdf!d When the user's password is in UN-encrypted form in config.pck, everything works great, eg: User passwd: Config.pck entry: .htpasswd: Accepted by Apache: rock rock Oad;int rock Using htpasswd's -p switch to add the passwords in clear text doesn't work either. Same problem, in that now the Apache password is the then as in the config.pck, which may or may not be encrypted. I hope this makes sense. Any suggestions for dealing with this? Obviously users can't be expected to know what the encrypted version of their password is or might be... Is this the expected behavior (some passwords clear, others encrypted?). Is this documented anywhere? dave

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Re: Mailman problem...
by Barry Warsaw 09 Dec '04

09 Dec '04

On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 07:11, epigrottero wrote: > Hi, excuse me for my english, i have installed a Mandrake 9.2 (in the > package there is Mailman 2.1.2 included) but when i try the creation > of a new list i receive this message: > > Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2 Mailman 2.1.2 is fairly old. You should try to at least upgrade to 2.1.5 and see if your problem is fixed. -Barry

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Private archive specific message URL lost in authorization
by Mark Sapiro 07 Dec '04

07 Dec '04

I just submitted the subject bug report to sourceforge.net at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1080943&group_id=1… The description is If a user without an authorization cookie goes to a URL such as http://www.example.com/mailman/private/list-name/yyyy-Month/nnnnnn.html the user will get the private archives authorization page and after filling in e-mail address and password and clicking Let me in... will be taken to the main index for the list at http://www.example.com/mailman/private/list-name/ instead of to the original URL. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro(a)value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Mailman-Developers December 2004