Mailman 3 December 2004 - Mailman-Developers

Encoding & html pages
by Nadim Shaikli 06 Dec '04

06 Dec '04

Greetings, let me prefix this with "I'm not familiar enough with Python" and proceed with my question. Having looked at the code briefly to see how I can have Mailman default to displaying my html pages with the 'UTF-8' encoding, I was able to see that one can affect the encoding (programatically) via changing the "lang" (or as its noted the variable 'DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE' in Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py). I'm also guessing that this affects the localization of the displayed text, etc (which I don't want to do). I then looked into the Defaults.py file which notes 'DEFAULT_CHARSET' but that looks like its related to pipermail only (which I'm not using, MHonARC fits me better). If my assumptions are correct this variable should be renamed to 'ARCHIVER_DEFAULT_CHARSET' to better fit with all the other related variables (while at it maybe 'VERBATIM_ENCODING' should also be 'ARCHIVER_VERBATIM_ENCODING'). I then looked into Defaults.py where various languages are listed and their supplied encodings (again this is related to localization and I'm not looking to affect/change that). Yet it seems to me that someone using 'en' as a language might still want to use "UTF-8" as the default encoding on all the HTML pages and I wasn't able to figure out how to do that. If this is currently not possible, may I suggest the creation of a 'DEFAULT_SERVER_ENCODING' that would take precedence over anything defaulted. In other words, if the _SERVER_ENCODING is set then it will be used even instead of what is listed in the localization list else mailman ought to do what its doing now. In passing, you might want to have Mailman default to UTF-8 instead of 'us-ascii' since many mailman users are now serving multiple language lists. Just a thought. Using - mailman-2.1.5-4 (debian) Regards, - Nadim __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo

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Non-member filters
by Simmo Siil 06 Dec '04

06 Dec '04

Hi, again. I have 3 lists and they all are in all(a)domeen.com. When user is in 2 sub list and i send email all then the uesr get-s 2 emails. How can it be done so that, he will get only one, but still will be in both lists? Saapakusti. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

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Hole in subscription confirmation?
by Les Niles 06 Dec '04

06 Dec '04

We're running 2.1.4 in production. Last week, a couple of our lists got subscribed to a mail-archiver service, apparently by a subscriber to those lists. The mail archiving service doesn't do any subscription confirmations, and the subscriptions to it were confirmed via the web interface. I don't quite see how this could happen. The mail archiver and the place where the confirmations came from are a continent and an ocean apart, so collusion is unlikely. Any ideas? Is there a way for someone submitting a subscription request to get a copy of the confirmation email from mailman? If so, there could be a hole to for maliciously-generated subscriptions. -les

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Tracebacks with 2.1.5 since upgrading to Python 2.4
by Tokio Kikuchi 05 Dec '04

05 Dec '04

Bryan Fullerton wrote: > Howdy, > > I'm running Mailman 2.1.5 and upgraded to Python 2.4 yesterday. Since > then I've gotten 9 tracebacks in the error log as below, with ~130 > bounces processed during that time. I've never seen this error before > with Mailman that I can remember. > (snip) > Dec 03 07:48:21 2004 qrunner(47971): File > "/home/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 131, in registerBounce > Dec 03 07:48:21 2004 qrunner(47971): time.strftime('%d-%b-%Y', > day + (0,)*6)) > Dec 03 07:48:21 2004 qrunner(47971): ValueError : day of year out of range > > Do I need to do something with Mailman after updating to Python 2.4, > or is this a bug? time.strftime('%d-%b-%Y', day + (0,)*6)) should be something like: time.strftime('%d-%b-%Y', day + (0,0,0,0,1,0)) Looks like we should care 2.4 compatibilty first before jumping in it. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/

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Where are the data?
by Jacques B. Siboni 05 Dec '04

05 Dec '04

Hi all, Another question which had been put on the mailman-users group ... Where and how can I access to the user data, which are the email address, the name, and the password? Thanks in advance Jacques -- Dr. Jacques B. Siboni mailto:jacsib@Lutecium.org 8 pass. Charles Albert, F75018 Paris, France Tel. & Fax: 33 (0) 1 42 28 76 78 Home Page: http://www.lutecium.org/jacsib/

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Inserting code in subscribe
by Jacques B. Siboni 05 Dec '04

05 Dec '04

Hi all, I had put this question on the mailman-users mailing list but it were probably too sharp as i received no answers. Therefore i talk the the developers of mailman now: On a mailing list I'm running I need to include some code after the subscribe form and after the unsubscribe form. The new subscribe form has to interact with the user. You can have a hint of what is expected at http://www.lutecium.org/subscribe.html The unsubscribe process has to run a simple batch. Where do you think is the best place to include these codes? Thanks in advance Jacques -- Dr. Jacques B. Siboni mailto:jacsib@Lutecium.org 8 pass. Charles Albert, F75018 Paris, France Tel. & Fax: 33 (0) 1 42 28 76 78 Home Page: http://www.lutecium.org/jacsib/

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Non-member filters
by Simmo Siil 04 Dec '04

04 Dec '04

List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted. How can i but there @domeen.com? without a name? like '@domeen.com' -- how to get it work? now i can use only single aadresses like name(a)domeen.com Can you help me? Saapakusti _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

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real virtual domain support - possible implementation?
by Msquared 04 Dec '04

04 Dec '04

Hi guys! (and gals :) ) I remember when I first installed Majordomo and experiencing majordisappointment that it didn't truly support virtual mail domains. It suffered the same limitation that Mailman currently does: foo(a)1.example.com and foo(a)2.example.com are the same list. I managed to work around this by using Sendmail's virtusertable to create different aliases for each domain. The aliases worked their magic by simply invoking Majordomo with a different configuration file for each domain. The configuration file ensured that each domain's configuration, archives, resend lists, etc, were independent of one another, as they were stored in different subdirectories, named after the domain they were configured for. This magic was acheived using M4 macros, to make my life easier. I build my virtusertable and aliases from the one config file and the M4 macros. It's easy to modify the macros to call Mailman from different domains, and could even pass a different configuration parameter, or domain name identifier, or whatever, to the Mailman mail wrapper, just like I did to the Majordomo wrapper. Is there a way to call the Mailman mail wrapper in such a way as to have it use a different Defaults and/or mm-cfg file on each invocation? How about the cgi scripts and commandline scripts? It'd be kind of kludgy, but it would work well, I think. There seems to be discussion and requests for real virtual domain support on the list from time to time, and I think this would be a simple way to achieve it. Regards, Msquared...

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Feature request
by Ian Eiloart 03 Dec '04

03 Dec '04

Hi, I had a complaint from a user yesterday that a listinfo page was misleading. It says something like "To post a message to all the list members, send email to foo(a)example.com", when the list in question is actually an announcement only list - so not even list members can do that. Not such a problem, except that right above is the notice "To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the FOO Archives. (The current archive is only available to the list members.)". Now, this implies that the listinfo page is being smart about what people can and cannot do. Indeed it is smart about warning that subscriptions, archives, and membership lists are restricted - but not about posting. It would be useful if the listinfo page could check whether non-members can post (generic_nonmember_action), and check for additional restrictions on postings (like default_member_moderation), and say something like: "To post a message to all the list members, send email to foo(a)example.com (posts from non-members may|will be accepted|moderated|rejected|discarded)", where accepted|moderated|rejected|discarded is the setting from generic_non_member_action and may|will is "will" iff accept_these_nonmembers etc, are not set. I guess that inspecting the list of *_these_nonmembers settings will give a list of possible responses to a non-member posting. "To post a message to all the list members, send email to foo(a)example.com (permitted posters only)", as appropriate. -- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS

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Site-wide confirmed opt in setting?
by Kevan Benson 03 Dec '04

03 Dec '04

Any plans to include a feature where the server administrator can force lists to be confirmed opt-in? I administer a server that allows free mailing lists to customers of our ISP, and forcing opt-in behavior is useful as it allows tangible benefits with spam lists. I ask here because I haven't seen it mentioned in the wiki or feature lists for 2.1 or 2.2. We ended up hacking it a bit to make it work how we needed, but it's still sub-optimal at best, and it's a feature I think that could be useful to quite a few admins. Also, is there a policy reason why the return address and address listed in the template of the password reminders is the main list owner (first list created) and not the list owner of the list that address is associated with? -Kevan

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