Mailman 3 September 2004 - Mailman-Developers

Re: [Mailman-Developers] 8bit and NNTP gateway
by J C Lawrence 21 Sep '04

21 Sep '04

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Dale Newfield <Dale(a)Newfield.org> wrote: > Any possibility of using Exim in general, but putting a proxy > configured sendmail between it (on another port/interface) and mailman > just to get this one side effect? Umm, ewwwwww. Yeah, it would work, but I suspect it would be easier and more maintainable to just steal the code from Sendmail that does the translation and drop it into a filter under Exim. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] 8bit and NNTP gateway
by J C Lawrence 21 Sep '04

21 Sep '04

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:11:42 +0200 Brad Knowles <brad(a)stop.mail-abuse.org> wrote: > At 9:38 AM -0400 2004-09-21, J C Lawrence wrote: >> Exim alas does not fall in that camp, and I need to use Exim as >> versus Postfix due to the fine grained control it offers over >> executing UID/GID for filters. Sendmail and QMail are not a >> reasonable consideration for this case. > You might also be able to run messages through procmail, and use it to > change the encoding for you. That's what I've been expecting, however I've not found a decent canned recipe and getting the filter right to handle all the various MIME cases is not trivial. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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1030228 Mass Subscribe address with control character - can't delete
by Mark Sapiro 20 Sep '04

20 Sep '04

Subject Bug report is posted on sourceforge.net. http://list.org/bugs.html says "It is also recommended that you email a note about your submission to the mailman-developers mailing list", thus this post. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro(a)value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Please welcome Tokio Kikuchi
by Barry Warsaw 17 Sep '04

17 Sep '04

Hi all, Please all give a warm welcome to Tokio Kikuchi, who has volunteered to help clear the backlog of outstanding bugs and patches for Mailman 2.1. Tokio is a long-time Mailman user and developer -- he has contributed many excellent patches to Mailman and is the champion for the Japanese translation. I greatly appreciate his offer to help, and have given him permission to make commits to the source code tree. This will help me enormously during my current time crunch, and will help free up time to work on Mailman 3. Also, please be nice to him! Bug reports and patches should still always go through SF and be discussed on this list. Cheers, -Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Customising member options page
by J C Lawrence 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 00:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Celine Neo <rhlinux_neo(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > How do I modify the .py files... Use a standard text editor. > ... and how do convert it to a binary program file after the > modification? You don't need to. Python will do that itself. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Customising member options page
by Celine Neo 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

Hi, I want to customise the look and feel of the mm mailing list subscriptions html pages. I have managed to customise pages that is available under the admin screen. For the other pages, for example, members options page cannot be modified so easily. Correct me if I am wrong, I need to modify the .py scripts in Mailman/cgi/ directory and compile it to a binary program file, just like what is in the current mailman/cgi-bin directory. How do I modify the .py files and how do convert it to a binary program file after the modification? Pls help. Thanks Celine __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] VERP and personalization modifications to the headers?
by J C Lawrence 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:53:35 +0200 Brad Knowles <brad(a)stop.mail-abuse.org> wrote: > My understanding is that this addressing change is a result of > enabling full personalization and VERP, but I'm trying to understand > just exactly why it has to be done this way. Mailman supports three levels of personalisation: OFF, ON, and FULL. They choose FULL, which in turn created the behaviors you report. ON may have been a better choice. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] VERP and personalization modifications to the headers?
by J C Lawrence 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:58:01 +0200 Brad Knowles <brad(a)stop.mail-abuse.org> wrote: > At 1:36 PM -0400 2004-09-12, J C Lawrence wrote: >> Mailman supports three levels of personalisation: OFF, ON, and FULL. >> They choose FULL, which in turn created the behaviors you report. ON >> may have been a better choice. > With this list, I think FULL was the correct choice. This is the only > way you can get the customized footers, etc... that give you direct > links to the appropriate URLs you can click on to manage your > subscriptions, etc.... While I haven't checked the implementation, given that the ON mode is doing per-recipient customisation there's no technical reason you couldn't do that in that mode. Which of course leads into" > My question is not which type of personalization is better. My > question is why does turning on full personalization result in this > behaviour? Uhhh....Barry? -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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VERP and personalization modifications to the headers?
by Brad Knowles 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

Folks, I'm on a mailing list server that has recently upgraded from Mailman 2.0.* to 2.1.5, and in the process of the upgrade, they also enabled full message personalization and VERP. However, certain changes were also made to the way the "To:" and "Cc:" headers were being addressed, and I was wondering if someone could confirm to me where these changes were made. Previously, when receiving a message sent to the list, the "To:" header would be that of the list, and I would be an envelope recipient. Of course, someone could also cc me directly, but that wasn't reflected in the "To:" header. Now, the "To:" header contains my address, and the list address is on the "Cc:" header. As I'm sure you can imagine, this has broken filtering for a number of people. My understanding is that this addressing change is a result of enabling full personalization and VERP, but I'm trying to understand just exactly why it has to be done this way. References to specific sections of specific RFCs would be appreciated. Thanks! -- Brad Knowles, <brad(a)stop.mail-abuse.org> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.

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Re: Looking for Yahoo style email list
by mch＠cix.compulink.co.uk 11 Sep '04

11 Sep '04

In-Reply-To: <20040907100110.9A2651E4009(a)bag.python.org> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 04:38:23 +0200 Brad Knowles <brad(a)stop.mail-abuse.org> wrote: > At 1:52 PM -0500 2004-09-04, Paul wrote: > > > I am looking for something that can be both an email list and a BBS > > style web page like Yahoo Groups. I want an email list that if the > > user chooses can read and post to the list from a web page like the > > Yahoo Groups. > > Mailman doesn't do this. It'll handle the mailing list side > reasonably well, but the BBS style interface is not included. > > > Can Mailman be adapted? > > Probably. Can you write code in Python? > > > Does an open source solution exist? > > If you find one, please let us know. > > -- I know someone who hacked up just what you want. He wouldn't release it to me, 'cos it "wasn't tidy enough". But I could have another try... Mike

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