Mailman 3 September 2004 - Mailman-Developers

Replacing the abomination Pipermail with Lurker
by Pete Ashdown Sept. 9, 2004

Sept. 9, 2004

Recently I investigated the current state of mailing list archivers and stumbled upon Lurker (lurker.sourceforge.net). Simply put, Lurker is to Pipermail as spaceships are to ice-skates. Has any consideration been given to tossing Pipermail as the default archiver and replacing it with something like Lurker? Has anyone managed to bang the mailman archive authentication over Lurker for private lists?

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PN-Mailmain PostNuke Module available
by Glenn Crocker Sept. 9, 2004

Sept. 9, 2004

I've released the first version of PN-Mailman, a PostNuke module for working with GNU Mailman lists. You can download it at: http://noc.postnuke.com/projects/pn-mailman/ PostNuke MailMan is a module that provides a web-based interface to the GNU Mailman email list management system. Users can subscribe/unsubscribe, link to archives, etc. Administrators can view members lists, add users, remove users, etc. -glenn Glenn Crocker, glenn(a)netmud.com Netmud: http://www.netmud.com

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RE: [Mailman-Developers] Timestamps in archive are +1 hr
by John.Airey＠RNIB.ORG.UK Sept. 9, 2004

Sept. 9, 2004

> -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-developers-bounces+john.airey=rnib.org.uk(a)python.org > [mailto:mailman-developers-bounces+john.airey=rnib.org.uk@pyth > on.org]On > Behalf Of Chris Boulter > Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2004 14:29 > To: John W. Baxter > Cc: mailman-developers(a)python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Developers] Timestamps in archive are +1 hr > > > On Tue 2004-08-17 11:41:09 -0700, John W. Baxter wrote: > > Version of Mailman? System on which you're running? > > Originally it was Mailman 2.1.2, but I've made extensive > modifications, > especially to the archiving. In fact, it's entirely possible that I > introduced this anomaly in the timestamps. > > > Assuming Linux, what is the third (last) line of > > cat /etc/adjtime > > Solaris, I'm afraid. I'm not sure what the equivalent file > is. The only > files whose names contain 'adjtime' are a couple of man pages. > > mailmandeploy@pavo # uname -a > SunOS pavo 5.9 Generic_112233-12 sun4u sparc SUNW,UltraAX-i2 > > -- What's your TZ variable set to? On my solitary Solaris box it's set to "GB". However, this box isn't running Mailman. -- John Airey, BSc (Jt Hons), CNA, RHCE Internet systems support officer, ITCSD, Royal National Institute of the Blind, Bakewell Road, Peterborough PE2 6XU, Tel.: +44 (0) 1733 375299 Fax: +44 (0) 1733 370848 John.Airey(a)rnib.org.uk To truly believe in Evolution requires complete faith that life has no meaning. Fortunately there are billions of people who aren't that stupid. -- DISCLAIMER: NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you should not use, disclose, distribute or copy any of the content of it or of any attachment; you are requested to notify the sender immediately of your receipt of the email and then to delete it and any attachments from your system. RNIB endeavours to ensure that emails and any attachments generated by its staff are free from viruses or other contaminants. However, it cannot accept any responsibility for any such which are transmitted. We therefore recommend you scan all attachments. Please note that the statements and views expressed in this email and any attachments are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RNIB. RNIB Registered Charity Number: 226227 Website: http://www.rnib.org.uk

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Mailman problem!
by Simmo Siil Sept. 9, 2004

Sept. 9, 2004

I'm using Mailman with Sendmail on SuSE. I have created several lists (on the list about 50...60 people each) Most of the people in the list are same server users. When I'm sending an email to the list, the server hangs (even working with the shell account is very slow). When I'm looking at the top, then i see PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 17749 wwwrun 17 0 10884 9260 4416 S 10.3 7.8 0:00.64 httpd2-prefork 17612 wwwrun 16 0 9388 7276 3076 S 6.1 6.2 0:02.53 httpd2-prefork 17770 wwwrun 15 0 4852 2400 2280 S 0.6 2.0 0:00.02 httpd2-prefork 17772 wwwrun 15 0 4852 2400 2288 S 0.6 2.0 0:00.02 httpd2-prefork 17773 wwwrun 18 0 4852 2400 2288 S 0.6 2.0 0:00.02 httpd2-prefork same time in the /var/log/messages is see Sep 9 12:25:00 gw /USR/SBIN/CRON[17775]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news) And in the mailog i see that the mail has sent to the list Sep 9 08:42:50 gw sendmail[12986]: i895gmhT012982: to="|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post list", ctladdr=<list@domain> (2/0), delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=34098, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent and list-bounces@domain has sent it to the users and sendmail sends mail to the users very slowly. and server starts to hang. Sendmail sends the mail abount 5 to 10 min. At the same time no other user can't send mail properly (sending mail starts to hang). Also wery often stops working and i see next picture: gw:/ # rcmailman restart Shutting down mailman failed Starting mailmanThe master qrunner lock could not be acquired. It appears as though there is a stale master qrunner lock. Try re-running mailmanctl with the -s flag. done gw:/ # /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start Starting Mailman's master qrunner. gw:/ # rcmailman restart Shutting down mailman done Starting mailman done How i can solv this problem? Thank You, Saapakusti _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Upgrade from 2.0 to 2.1.5 breaks on pending_subscriptions.db
by Fergus Donohue Sept. 6, 2004

Sept. 6, 2004

Has anyone else come across this and if so what's the solution? I'm running an upgrade of our mailman install in a test environment and it's breaking with the following error. I'm running on Solaris 8 with Python 2.3.4. The 2.0 version of Mailman was using python 1.6. phoenix on old-hawk {731}# ls -la /home/misc/mailman/data/pending_subscriptio> -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 97 Aug 16 14:27 /home/misc/mailman/data/pending_subscriptions.db phoenix on old-hawk {732}# tail -10 fd.ins.3 Updating Mailman 2.0 pending_subscriptions.db database Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 780, in ? errors = main() File "bin/update", line 704, in main update_pending() File "bin/update", line 583, in update_pending addr = data[0].address AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'address' make: *** [update] Error 1 If I dump pending_subscriptions on a box that can dump .db files I get: phoenix {353}# ./dumpdb /tmp/pending_subscriptions.db { 448473: ('emanuel.soreteanonescu2(a)mail.dcu.ie', 'cycbtsvf', 0, 1089674437), 'lastculltime': 1089723840} phoenix {354}# Does anyone have any ideas what's going on? Thanks, Fergus.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Looking for Yahoo style email list
by J C Lawrence Sept. 6, 2004

Sept. 6, 2004

On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 13:52:47 -0500 Paul <Mailman(a)Kettle.org> wrote: > I am looking for something that can be both an email list and a BBS > style web page like Yahoo Groups. I want an email list that if the > user chooses can read and post to the list from a web page like the > Yahoo Groups. You might like to see the current implementation of the archives at Kanga.nu, and then read the User FAQ on how that was accomplished. other reasonable approaches would enclude using a GMane-like setup. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Min requirements for running Mailman?
by Adam Boettiger Sept. 6, 2004

Sept. 6, 2004

Apologies in advance for this basic of a question but this is technical in nature and thus doesn't seem appropriate for the users or list owners lists. Is there a listing somewhere for the minimum requirements or recommended config for running Mailman WRT machine, ram etc. My specific question is if it is possible to run it on a VPS such as http://www.linode.com/ ? If yes, this seems a more cost-effective alternative to paying for a dedicated box. Thoughts? AB

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Alternate user (and admin) interfaces
by Ian Bicking Sept. 5, 2004

Sept. 5, 2004

I've been searching around for people's experiences implementing alternate web interfaces for Mailman, but I've been surprised not to find much. The desire to do this seems obvious to me -- there's a lot of different flavors of mailing list (discussion, announce, correspondance management, and many others). The interface tries to support all of these, and is rather overwhelming as a result. Since I haven't found other people making these interfaces, I'm guessing: (a) I'm not looking in the right places, (b) people are doing this but not sharing their results, (c) and it's so easy they don't even need to ask public questions about it, (d) or it's so hard they give up quickly, (e) or it's easy but fragile, and people create lots of prototypes but nothing serious, (e) or everyone lacks the imagination or interest to try. Now that I list them, (a) seems the most likely, but I swear I've really tried to find them. Are their examples people might suggest? Right now I'm just trying to evaluate the feasibility of creating a trimmed-down interface. Actually a couple interfaces: one for announce list subscribers (*very* minimal), another for announce list administrators (including some posting tools and reports), and another simplified discussion list user interface. Anyway, I just wanted to see if other people are thinking about this, have already done this, or can give any advise. It doesn't look hard from my first investigation, but I'm also not sure how to best implement -- Mailman's web interface confuses me a bit, and I'm guessing that it's an ad hoc application server. If we go ahead to make this, I suspect we'll want to do something more expedient (i.e., not based on Mailman 3.0), but it would be nice to do this in a way that can be shared, and something that isn't just a hack. -- Ian Bicking / ianb(a)colorstudy.com / http://blog.ianbicking.org

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Re: List of available customization fields
by Adam Boettiger Sept. 2, 2004

Sept. 2, 2004

Terri Oda wrote: > Anyhow, here it is. I'll go put it in the FAQ. Perhaps it is me, but I find the following field names missing: -- subscriber's email address (i.e. "You are subscribed as") Web URL to unsubscribe or for list removal Email unsubscribe link -- Are there fields for these?

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Possible spam attack against MM lists
by J C Lawrence Sept. 2, 2004

Sept. 2, 2004

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 11:16:05 +0100 Nigel Metheringham <Nigel.Metheringham(a)dev.intechnology.co.uk> wrote: > There has always been a stream of attempted SPAM to the lists I host, > and to date, touch wood, its been caught by MTA address checking and > MM member only post checking. > I seem now to be getting posts to the list forged from addresses of > list members (or in one case a list itself). The rejection of these > so far has been pretty much by sheer luck (they failed the content > policy checks). > Are other people seeing this? Yup, to the tune of several score per day per list, tho I don't distinguish between SPAM and virus mail in this regard. > I am starting to think that my advocacy of mandatory death sentences > for spammers is far too liberal and wishy-washy. I use TMDA as a C/R system in front of all my lists and then remove all posting controls on the lists at the Mailman level. Given that the majority of list members never even try to post, this has been proven a particularly effective control. I also put mimefilter (a MIME stripper) in front of the lists to remove dangerous payloads, and then auto-junk messages which end up too short (this doesn't catch much, but just enough to glad of). In 3 years of using this system or earlier variants of it I've had only 12 spam make it through the system. Not ideal, but certainly a tolerable rate. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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