Mailman 3 November 2014 - Mailman-Developers

before next release: disable backscatter in default installation
by Jo Rhett Nov. 7, 2022

Nov. 7, 2022

Hi. There's a fairly simple problem here that needs to be addressed. And it's mostly a documentation/install problem. I'm hoping we can get this resolved before the next release. PROBLEM: Mailman comes out of the box ready to backscatter spam people. Yes, it's easy enough to fix. But because it comes stock this way, and is documented to install this way, most people install it to do this. Those of us who work in abuse departments are tired of hearing "well that's how Mailman … [View More]

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Adding CSS to mailman archives
by Andrew Daviel Feb. 13, 2015

Feb. 13, 2015

A little while ago (November 2012 probably) I changed a mailing list from Hypermail to Mailman and wanted to keep some of the look-and-feel of the archives, e.g. background colour and fonts. So I patched mailman 2.1.9 in CentOS 5 to include a CSS stylesheet link in each generated HTML page, replacing e.g. <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> with just <body> and adding e.g. body {background-color: #ffffff ; color: black; } in /pipermail/mailman.css, so that HTML style such as FONT and SIZE … [View More]

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Python3 port of Mailman3
by Barry Warsaw Nov. 29, 2014

Nov. 29, 2014

On Nov 26, 2014, at 02:30 PM, Abhilash Raj wrote: >I am working on porting mailman3 to python3. There are few doubts I have >which may sound stupid, but I have a little knowledge about encoding and >charsets which I think is important for the port. Also this is my first time >working on python3 so forgive me for asking anything obvious( I did try >googling first) The code is in very preliminary stages with tons of >errors. Its up on launchpad. > > lp:~raj-abhilash1/… [View More]mailman/py3 Yay! Note that I also have been playing around with it a bit. I wouldn't say it's a functional branch, but you might compare notes: lp:~barry/mailman/py3 >1. `pkg_resources.resource_string` used to read the configuration files while >initialization and testing now returns bytes instead of string(like in >python2). Right. "resource_string" is really a misnomer. In another Python 3 project I work on, I use: from pkg_resource import resource_string as resource_bytes just so that the call sites are accurate. >So instead I use `pkg_resources.resource_stream` and deocode to the steam to >a `utf-8` encoding(why? to avoid errors for the time being). I wanted to ask >what would be the best for this case? You can of course also decode the bytestring that "resource_bytes" returns. That's generally what I do in that other project. >2. To create a hash everywhere unicode strings must be encoded. So again the >same question what should I encode it to? UTF-8 or US-ASCII? Or someway to >determine which encoding should be used? I think utf-8 is generally the right encoding to use, except in contexts where you are given a better hint. E.g. if you're decoding say the payload of a message with a Content-Type header, and that header has a `charset` attribute, it will name the encoding that you're supposed to use. There may be cases where us-ascii or latin-1 would be better, but I think those should be determined on a case-by-case basis. >Also if anybody has suggestions on porting please let me know. I am online >sporadically on irc as `maxking` on #mailman (I see all of the messages sent >while I am away). The trunk should now be `python2.7 -3` clean, so it's ready to be ported. I'd probably not try to run the full test suite yet, but start at the lowest level, e.g. database/model and work your way up. If there are changes that make sense even in Python 2 (i.e. for bilingual support for now) try to put those in separate branches and merge proposals, so they can be merged into trunk even before a full port. This page will be indispensable: https://wiki.python.org/moin/PortingToPy3k/BilingualQuickRef Cheers, -Barry [View Less]

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Changing the default_moderation_action has no effect on existing members
by Stephen J. Turnbull Nov. 27, 2014

Nov. 27, 2014

Aurelien Bompard writes: > I suggest we leave the member's moderation_action on None when it's > created, and modify the moderation rules to go look for the list's default > setting if the member's value is None. I think this is a bad idea. From the subscriber's perspective, it changes the list's behavior with no action from her, for no good reason that she knows. The semantics of these variables is, and I think should be, initialization, not fallback.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Changing the default_moderation_action has no effect on existing members
by Barry Warsaw Nov. 26, 2014

Nov. 26, 2014

On Nov 25, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Aurelien Bompard wrote: >As a result, unless I'm missing something changing, the list's >default_moderation_action has no effect on existing members. Do I >understand correctly? That is correct. As Steve points out, the intent is that this setting is initialization not fallback. I think this does work differently in MM2.1, but that version's schema isn't really sophisticated enough to do anything different. There, members have a moderation flag which … [View More]

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Python3 port of Mailman3
by Abhilash Raj Nov. 26, 2014

Nov. 26, 2014

Hi All, I am working on porting mailman3 to python3. There are few doubts I have which may sound stupid, but I have a little knowledge about encoding and charsets which I think is important for the port. Also this is my first time working on python3 so forgive me for asking anything obvious( I did try googling first) The code is in very preliminary stages with tons of errors. Its up on launchpad. lp:~raj-abhilash1/mailman/py3 So my doubts: 1. `pkg_resources.resource_string` used to read … [View More]

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Changing the default_moderation_action has no effect on existing members
by Richard Damon Nov. 25, 2014

Nov. 25, 2014

On 11/25/14, 5:46 AM, Aurelien Bompard wrote: > Hi *, > > I'd like to discuss the algorithm we use to enforce a list's default > moderation action. Here's what I understand: > - the list's default_moderation_action setting is stored in the database > and can be changed via the REST interface > - when a new member is created, its moderation_action is imported from the > list's default_moderation_action depending on its role (see > model/member.py:84) > - this member'… [View More]

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Changing the default_moderation_action has no effect on existing members
by Aurelien Bompard Nov. 25, 2014

Nov. 25, 2014

Hi *, I'd like to discuss the algorithm we use to enforce a list's default moderation action. Here's what I understand: - the list's default_moderation_action setting is stored in the database and can be changed via the REST interface - when a new member is created, its moderation_action is imported from the list's default_moderation_action depending on its role (see model/member.py:84) - this member's moderation_action is stored in the database - it's the member's moderation_action that is … [View More]

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falcon branch is merged
by Barry Warsaw Nov. 15, 2014

Nov. 15, 2014

I'm happy to say that with Kurt Griffiths' release of Falcon 2.0b1 to PyPI, I have merged the MM3 falcon branch to trunk. This means the Mailman internal dependency transitions are complete. Along with the SQLAlchemy transition, our trunk should now only depend on Python 3 compatible libraries. Porting MM3 to Python 3 is not on the critical path for the final release, but at least work on that can now begin. Happy hacking. -Barry

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Want Mailman 3 suite to release faster? Here's some bugs you can help with!
by Terri Oda Nov. 12, 2014

Nov. 12, 2014

Some weeks back, Florian went through the Postorius bug queue to find a list of bugs that he thinks are blocking us from being able to have a final Mailman Suite release. I just wanted to advertise that list to you all in case anyone here is looking for some valuable work to do: https://bugs.launchpad.net/postorius/+bugs?field.tag=mailman3-suite-blocker There's only 13 of them at the moment, so that's nice. They're in a variety of different states. Some are somewhat old and we could … [View More]

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