Mailman 3 April 2014 - Mailman-Developers

Mailman3: creating a user from an existing address
by Aurelien Bompard April 25, 2014

April 25, 2014

Hey people, I'm trying to create a User in Mailman 3 from an existing Address. If I were using the Python interface, that would be very easy: just create the user with no address and then link the existing address to it. However, I'm using the REST interface. In mailman.rest.users.AllUser.create(), there's a try/except block which explicitely looks for this case and raises an HTTP 400 error. Looking at the test_existing_user_error() test case, it's apparently to prevent creating a user twice, which is not my use case. Are you OK if I hack the code to automatically link to an existing address while still erroring-out if the user already exist? Or would it be better to allow linking to an existing address from the REST API? Cheers, Aurélien

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSoC 2014 : Proposal for the Mailman CLI project
by Stephen J. Turnbull April 25, 2014

April 25, 2014

Just to follow up quickly (I've got problems I need to deal with elsewhere over the next couple days). Abhilash Raj writes: Hey, thanks for jumping in, maxking! > Hi Rajeev, > > Congratulations! We look forward to a great summer with you. Definitely! >> I would like to thank the Mailman community and mentors for >> their extensive > support during my application process, You're very welcome. >> Also I have a few questions as part of the community bonding >> process. >> >> 1.Is the project to be developed as an independent project or as a >> part/branch of the Mailman Core repository > > That is supposed to be an implementation detail of your > proposal. What do you think would be the best? I agree with Abhilash. You make a proposal, we'll criticize it (contructively; "criticism" is not necessarily negative, just as with literary critics we may give a positive review -- you should know when you're doing things right). >> 2.If it is an Independent project, Is it OK to use the > >> git+gitorious/savannah or should I stick to bzr+launchpad? I have >> used git extensively,naturally more comfortable with git. >> However, I can pick up bzr if necessary. > Even if it is an independent project we strongly encourage you to > use bzr, as integration and code review might become a problem in > later stages of your project( I am speaking from personal > experience). Learning bzr and launchpad is not at all difficult if > you know git. The CLI won't be *that* independent. It really needs to be on Launchpad. Note: It may be possible to use git-bzr to fetch and push from Launchpad. >> 3.Is it necessary for me to hangout in the IRC?If yes, when? > > It is not *necessary* for you to hangout on IRC. You just need to > keep your mentors updated about what are you doing all the time. If > you prefer email, I don't think that would be a problem. Your only > responsibility is to deliver the project you proposed on time. It's generally a good idea to have interaction (brainstorming) when working on design. I can generally be available on IRC from about 01:00 UTC to 15:00 UTC. As Abhilash knows :-) I can often be convinced to stay around until about 17:00 UTC. yaseppochi @ freenode >> 4.Can I start coding right away? > > You can, but first be sure you know what you want to code. Your > proposal does have a detailed description on working of the tool, > however there is little mention about the details of implementation > and design. It would be best if you first consult with your mentors > and decide on something so that you don't waste time writing code > that is not needed. Read Fred Brooks' /The Mythical Man-Month/, especially the essay "Build One to Throw Away". Then think about whether you really believe him. :-) Regards and looking forward to working with you! Steve

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSoC 2014 : Proposal for the Mailman CLI project
by Rajeev S April 22, 2014

April 22, 2014

Hi Abhilash, Thank you for the reply. I will post a write up describing the implementation details of the project.All other issues stand resolved.I will be using bzr+launchpad,and I prefer mail to IRC. *Regards,Rajeev S* *Government Engineering College,Thrissur* *http://rajeevs.tk <http://rajeevs.tk>* On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Abhilash Raj <raj.abhilash1(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi Rajeev, > > Congratulations! We look forward to a great summer with you. > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Rajeev S <rajeevs1992(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> My proposal has been successfully accepted into the GSoC 2014 program.I >> would like to thank the Mailman community and mentors for their extensive >> support during my application process,especially Mr. Stephen Turnbull. >> >> Also I have a few questions as part of the community bonding process. >> >> 1.Is the project to be developed as an independent project or as a >> part/branch of the Mailman Core repository >> > > That is supposed to be an implementation detail of your proposal. What do > you > think would be the best? > > >> 2.If it is an Independent project, Is it OK to use the >> git+gitorious/savannah or should I stick to bzr+launchpad? I have used git >> extensively,naturally more comfortable with git.However, I can pick up bzr >> if necessary. >> > > Even if it is an independent project we strongly encourage you to use bzr, > as > integration and code review might become a problem in later stages of your > project( I am speaking from personal experience). Learning bzr and > launchpad > is not at all difficult if you know git. > > >> 3.Is it necessary for me to hangout in the IRC?If yes, when? >> > > It is not *necessary* for you to hangout on IRC. You just need to keep > your mentors updated about what are you doing all the time. If you prefer > email, I don't think that would be a problem. Your only responsibility > is to deliver the project you proposed on time. > > 4.Can I start coding right away? >> > > You can, but first be sure you know what you want to code. Your proposal > does have a detailed description on working of the tool, however there is > little mention about the details of implementation and design. It would > be best if you first consult with your mentors and decide on something so > that you don't waste time writing code that is not needed. > >> >> Thank you once again! >> >> >> *Regards,Rajeev S* >> *Government Engineering College,Thrissur* >> *http://rajeevs.tk <http://rajeevs.tk>* >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Rajeev S <rajeevs1992(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > Made a minor edit upon Meflin's comment, asking to change project title. >> > >> > http://myfossblog.blogspot.in/2014/03/yet-another-change.html >> > >> > >> > *Regards,Rajeev S* >> > *Government Engineering College,Thrissur* >> > *http://rajeevs.tk <http://rajeevs.tk>* >> >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Rajeev S <rajeevs1992(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I have submitted a proposal for the Mailman CLI project through >> >> melange.You can find it here >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/student/google/gsoc2014… >> >> >> >> (Organisation view only) >> >> >> >> I have gone through the suggestions by Stephen as comments to the >> >> proposal and revised the proposal accordingly. >> >> >> >> >> http://myfossblog.blogspot.in/2014/03/gsoc-proposal-to-gnu-mailman.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Regards,Rajeev S* >> >> *Government Engineering College,Thrissur* >> >> *http://rajeevs.tk <http://rajeevs.tk>* >> >> >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-Developers mailing list >> Mailman-Developers(a)python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers >> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ >> Unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/raj.abhilash1%40… >> >> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 >> > > > > -- > Abhilash Raj > >

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSoC 2014 : Proposal for the Mailman CLI project
by Abhilash Raj April 22, 2014

April 22, 2014

Hi Rajeev, Congratulations! We look forward to a great summer with you. On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Rajeev S <rajeevs1992(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > My proposal has been successfully accepted into the GSoC 2014 program.I > would like to thank the Mailman community and mentors for their extensive > support during my application process,especially Mr. Stephen Turnbull. > > Also I have a few questions as part of the community bonding process. > > 1.Is the project to be developed as an independent project or as a > part/branch of the Mailman Core repository > That is supposed to be an implementation detail of your proposal. What do you think would be the best? > 2.If it is an Independent project, Is it OK to use the > git+gitorious/savannah or should I stick to bzr+launchpad? I have used git > extensively,naturally more comfortable with git.However, I can pick up bzr > if necessary. > Even if it is an independent project we strongly encourage you to use bzr, as integration and code review might become a problem in later stages of your project( I am speaking from personal experience). Learning bzr and launchpad is not at all difficult if you know git. > 3.Is it necessary for me to hangout in the IRC?If yes, when? > It is not *necessary* for you to hangout on IRC. You just need to keep your mentors updated about what are you doing all the time. If you prefer email, I don't think that would be a problem. Your only responsibility is to deliver the project you proposed on time. 4.Can I start coding right away? > You can, but first be sure you know what you want to code. Your proposal does have a detailed description on working of the tool, however there is little mention about the details of implementation and design. It would be best if you first consult with your mentors and decide on something so that you don't waste time writing code that is not needed. > > Thank you once again! > > > *Regards,Rajeev S* > *Government Engineering College,Thrissur* > *http://rajeevs.tk <http://rajeevs.tk>* > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Rajeev S <rajeevs1992(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Made a minor edit upon Meflin's comment, asking to change project title. > > > > http://myfossblog.blogspot.in/2014/03/yet-another-change.html > > > > > > *Regards,Rajeev S* > > *Government Engineering College,Thrissur* > > *http://rajeevs.tk <http://rajeevs.tk>* > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Rajeev S <rajeevs1992(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I have submitted a proposal for the Mailman CLI project through > >> melange.You can find it here > >> > >> > >> > https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/student/google/gsoc2014… > >> > >> (Organisation view only) > >> > >> I have gone through the suggestions by Stephen as comments to the > >> proposal and revised the proposal accordingly. > >> > >> http://myfossblog.blogspot.in/2014/03/gsoc-proposal-to-gnu-mailman.html > >> > >> > >> > >> *Regards,Rajeev S* > >> *Government Engineering College,Thrissur* > >> *http://rajeevs.tk <http://rajeevs.tk>* > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-Developers mailing list > Mailman-Developers(a)python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/raj.abhilash1%40… > > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > -- Abhilash Raj

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSoC 2014 : Proposal for the Mailman CLI project
by Rajeev S April 22, 2014

April 22, 2014

Hi, My proposal has been successfully accepted into the GSoC 2014 program.I would like to thank the Mailman community and mentors for their extensive support during my application process,especially Mr. Stephen Turnbull. Also I have a few questions as part of the community bonding process. 1.Is the project to be developed as an independent project or as a part/branch of the Mailman Core repository 2.If it is an Independent project, Is it OK to use the git+gitorious/savannah or should I stick to bzr+launchpad? I have used git extensively,naturally more comfortable with git.However, I can pick up bzr if necessary. 3.Is it necessary for me to hangout in the IRC?If yes, when? 4.Can I start coding right away? Thank you once again! *Regards,Rajeev S* *Government Engineering College,Thrissur* *http://rajeevs.tk <http://rajeevs.tk>* On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Rajeev S <rajeevs1992(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Made a minor edit upon Meflin's comment, asking to change project title. > > http://myfossblog.blogspot.in/2014/03/yet-another-change.html > > > *Regards,Rajeev S* > *Government Engineering College,Thrissur* > *http://rajeevs.tk <http://rajeevs.tk>* > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Rajeev S <rajeevs1992(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I have submitted a proposal for the Mailman CLI project through >> melange.You can find it here >> >> >> https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/student/google/gsoc2014… >> >> (Organisation view only) >> >> I have gone through the suggestions by Stephen as comments to the >> proposal and revised the proposal accordingly. >> >> http://myfossblog.blogspot.in/2014/03/gsoc-proposal-to-gnu-mailman.html >> >> >> >> *Regards,Rajeev S* >> *Government Engineering College,Thrissur* >> *http://rajeevs.tk <http://rajeevs.tk>* >> > >

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PyCon Sprints have started!
by Terri Oda April 14, 2014

April 14, 2014

Just a quick reminder: we're sprinting at PyCon right now through Thursday, so if you've been hoping to get in touch with one of the Mailman core devs, now's a great time to find us! We'll be sprinting approximately 9-5ish Montréal time (Eastern Daylight Time) the next few days. If you're in the Montréal area, feel free to join us in person. We're currently in room 524a of the Palais des Congrès de Montréal, and sprints are free (even if you weren't signed up for Pycon) so you can just show up. And if you're not in Montréal, there's always IRC! Terri

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] Best solution to fix the yahoo problem?
by Jim Popovitch April 14, 2014

April 14, 2014

..... continued from the mailman-users list... On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Barry Warsaw <barry(a)list.org> wrote: > On Apr 14, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > >>Given that the whole site is at risk, should it be an option for list >>owners at all? > > This is a good point. It may make sense for the site admin to select whether > some general DMARC mitigation approach is enabled for their lists or not, and > then allow the list admins to select the approach that is least unpalatable > for their users. > Thinking on the above wrt the dmarc-reject patch I submitted... It seems to me that a site-wide decision can either be to allow per-list dmarc policy config, or not. Unless I'm mistaken, I don't see a need for a site owner to define a partial site policy (i.e. allow a list to Accept but not Discard, etc) for email from domains with a published dmarc p=reject policy. The site admin either lets the list admin(s) decide Accept/Hold/Reject/Discard or the site admin decides for them. If this is the case, when a site admin defines a side-wide dmarc policy, what should happen to the Privacy Options -> Sender Filters -> dmarc_moderation_* options (textbox + radio buttons)? Should they disappear from the GUI or greyout? Thanks, -Jim P>

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] DMARC and Mail Lists open space at Pycon
by Mark Sapiro April 12, 2014

April 12, 2014

On 04/10/2014 05:30 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I have tentatively scheduled an open space for Friday, 11 April at 18:00 > in room 523B at Pycon to talk about DMARC and mail lists. All available > interested parties are invited. If the time doesn't work, we can reschedule. I will need to reschedule this. Check the open space board. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Fwd: DMARC and Mail Lists open space at Pycon
by Mark Sapiro April 11, 2014

April 11, 2014

I should have sent the original to this list as well. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Mail Lists open space at Pycon Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 17:30:51 -0700 From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> To: dmarclist(a)lists.peachymango.org, Mailman Users <mailman-users(a)python.org> I have tentatively scheduled an open space for Friday, 11 April at 18:00 in room 523B at Pycon to talk about DMARC and mail lists. All available interested parties are invited. If the time doesn't work, we can reschedule. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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