Mailman 3 July 2014 - Mailman-Developers

before next release: disable backscatter in default installation
by Jo Rhett Nov. 8, 2022

Nov. 8, 2022

Hi. There's a fairly simple problem here that needs to be addressed. And it's mostly a documentation/install problem. I'm hoping we can get this resolved before the next release. PROBLEM: Mailman comes out of the box ready to backscatter spam people. Yes, it's easy enough to fix. But because it comes stock this way, and is documented to install this way, most people install it to do this. Those of us who work in abuse departments are tired of hearing "well that's how Mailman works". We also object to having to teach people how to fix their mailman installations because it's not documented in the current manual. This is *exactly* like Sendmail 14 years ago. We didn't accept it then, and Sendmail fixed the problem. RESOLUTION: Mailman default installation should not backscatter in a default configuration. 1. Don't create backscatter aliases for subscribe/unsubscribe/etc by default. Nearly everyone uses web based signup. 2. Discard or hold messages from non-subscribers by default. I would think that it would be perfectly reasonable to have documentation on how to enable the 1980s-style -request / -subscribe etc aliases. However this documentation should have a note that this is against the AUP of nearly every network provider, and enabling it will likely cause them to get listed in various blacklists as a backscatter source. FYI: I know that this goes against the instincts of many old-time mailing list advocates here. But after dealing with a 10k/hour backscatter DoS my tolerance for this problem is understandably limited. Yes, it was a sweet day back in the 1980s. I was running a mailing list server and several UUCP gateways at the time, so I remember them well. But those days are past, and we need to deal with the reality of today. -- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source and other randomness

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Adding CSS to mailman archives
by Andrew Daviel Feb. 13, 2015

Feb. 13, 2015

A little while ago (November 2012 probably) I changed a mailing list from Hypermail to Mailman and wanted to keep some of the look-and-feel of the archives, e.g. background colour and fonts. So I patched mailman 2.1.9 in CentOS 5 to include a CSS stylesheet link in each generated HTML page, replacing e.g. <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> with just <body> and adding e.g. body {background-color: #ffffff ; color: black; } in /pipermail/mailman.css, so that HTML style such as FONT and SIZE is removed from the Python code. (I only have one list on that server and didn't implement per-list style) I also changed a few things e.g. content-type to get zero warnings and errors from the W3C online validator. Now if I want to get DMARC functionality I'll have to jump past the RedHat/CentOS release and build 2.1.18, and re-patch for CSS. I was wondering if there was any interest in incorporating CSS into the official releases. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time)

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[CLI Project] Added export to CSV feature
by Rajeev S July 30, 2014

July 30, 2014

Hi, I have pushed r68 that adds the export to CSV feature to the mailman command line tools. Usage ./mmclient show user -v --csv path/to/file.csv ./mmclient show list -v --csv path/to/file.csv ./mmclient show domain -v --csv path/to/file.csv The r68 further adds the support for white spaces in object names. The corresponding regular expression has been modified in all parsers. >>> create user with `email` = `a(a)b.com` and `display_name` = `Foo Bar` and `password` = `abcde` http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rajeevs1992/mailman.client/mailmancli/revision…

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] listarchiver table missing from postgresql schema
by Barry Warsaw July 29, 2014

July 29, 2014

On Jul 29, 2014, at 10:13 AM, Aurelien Bompard wrote: >I'm interested in helping port MM3 to SQLAlchemy, I've had some experience >with it in the past. But first I'll add some tests to my patch, then I'll >port KittyStore to SQLAlchemy, so I'll make less mistakes porting MM3, which >is a significantly bigger piece. Sounds great. Help is greatly appreciated! I have an unfinished branch somewhere which I'll try to resurrect if there's anything useful there. I think this will be a deep change, especially since there are ties to the testing infrastructure, so it might be best to collaborate on it. I'm quite happy of course to do that with you! >Do you think we can release MM3 with Storm? Should we wait for the SQLAlchemy >port? It's not in the TODO list on >http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Mailman+3.0 I'm becoming increasingly concerned about our dependence on Storm, and not just because of the lack of Python 3 support[*]. While I like the simple and transparent model, I think the problems we're having with both SQLite and PostgreSQL point to the need to switch. If we don't have a reliable database layer, how can we possibly release? Opinions very much welcome. If there's consensus that the switch is needed, I'll add it to the wiki page above and start spending time on it. Cheers, -Barry [*] Don't worry, porting Mailman to Python 3 is *not* on the table for 3.0.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] listarchiver table missing from postgresql schema
by ML mail July 29, 2014

July 29, 2014

Hi Aurélien, You might then also be interested to follow the bug I submitted for this purpose: Bug #1343137 “listarchiver table missing from postgresql schema” : Bugs : GNU Mailman Bug #1343137 “listarchiver table missing from postgresql... I am currently testing Mailman3 with PostgreSQL and found out that the listarchiver table is missing from the PostgreSQL schema (database/schema/postgres.sql). It i... View on bugs.launchpad.net Preview by Yahoo On Friday, July 18, 2014 10:28 AM, Aurelien Bompard <aurelien(a)bompard.org> wrote: Got hit by that too, I just created a merge request with the missing file : https://code.launchpad.net/~abompard/mailman/pgsql_upgrade/+merge/227289 Could anyone have a quick look at this? Aurélien

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Add moderators from the command line
by ML mail July 28, 2014

July 28, 2014

Hi, In Mailman3 it would be nice to be able to add moderators to a mailing list from the command line using the mailman command. Currently I can only see the possibility to add new members to a mailing list, or did I miss something here? Regards ML

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Message acceptance options not working?
by ML mail July 28, 2014

July 28, 2014

Hi, I am testing the two following list config parameters: default_nonmember_action default_member_action and actually the following options do not work: Reject (with notification) and Discard (no notification) It looks like currently only the hold for moderator and accept options are working. Is it possible that these two are not ready yet in the beta4 version of mailman? Furthermore the approval mail to the moderator contains in its body as reason XXX: Reason: XXX I guess this also needs adapting. Let me know if I should open a bug for this. Regards ML

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Add moderators from the command line
by ML mail July 28, 2014

July 28, 2014

Cheers Rajeev! On Monday, July 28, 2014 8:44 AM, Rajeev S <rajeevs1992(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi, On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 4:29 PM, ML mail <mlnospam(a)yahoo.com.dmarc.invalid> wrote: Yes, I guess something like a "-m" option would be good to specify that the e-mails being added with the "-a" option are moderators. Right now I have switched to using the REST API as it has all features I need, great work btw! > > > >On Saturday, July 26, 2014 12:20 AM, Barry Warsaw <barry(a)list.org> wrote: > > > >On Jul 24, 2014, at 02:03 PM, 'ML mail' via barry wrote: > > >>In Mailman3 it would be nice to be able to add moderators to a mailing list >>from the command line using the mailman command. Currently I can only see the >>possibility to add new members to a mailing list, or did I miss something >>here? > >You're not missing anything. The CLI for adding members isn't fantastic - you >have to provide a file with one member per line. The way to extend this would >be to be able to specify the members' role when adding them. I haven't >thought of an elegant way to do this via the CLI, especially when multiple >members can be added. Once a good interface is designed, it would be pretty >easy to write the code to do it. > > The CLI I built as part of GSoC 2014 supports the above features http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rajeevs1992/mailman.client/mailmancli It is based on the REST API. To Add moderators you can do ./mmclient add-moderator list list(a)domain.org --user a(a)b.com b(a)c.com ... Similarly to add owners do ./mmclient add-owner list list(a)domain.org --user a(a)b.com b(a)c.com To add normal members ./mmclient subscribe user user1(a)bar.com user2(a)bar.com --list list(a)domain.org You might want to install the PLY library [https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ply/3.4] to test the CLI fully.

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[CLI Project] Switched command Parsing to YACC and LEX
by Rajeev S July 26, 2014

July 26, 2014

Hi, As mentioned, I have pushed r67, that comprises of the improved command parsing system using Lex and YACC, for the Mailman shell. The PLY module is used for the purpose. Every command has a parser script associated with it, under the `client/parsers/` directory. The parser is imported and used by each command independently. The parser returns the necessary arguments as a hash table, which can be easily used by the command execution procedure. The change of command parsing method to PLY now handles both command validation and parsing/processing, which was previously done in independent command processing steps. The r67 also improves the environment variable management. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rajeevs1992/mailman.client/mailmancli/revision…

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REST API documentation (list of all possible parameters)
by ML mail July 26, 2014

July 26, 2014

Hello, I am trying to find out all possible REST API parameters but can't find any documentation listing them all. For example I want to create a new mailing list using the following REST API URL: http://localhost:8001/3.0/list in the documentation I could only find the "fqdn_listname" parameter but there must definitely be more possible parameters such as one for the description, etc. Where can I find a list of these parameters? Regards ML

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