Mailman 3 February 2016 - Mailman-Developers

Refried "SPAM" for GSoC 2016
by Stephen J. Turnbull 10 Feb '16

10 Feb '16

The classic article on writing GSoC proposals, updated a bit for 2016, refactored for Moin (does Moin do ReST? the biggest annoyance was repeating links in several places) and moved to the Wiki. http://wiki.list.org/DEV/SPAM, reviews welcome. Or just fix what's broke. ;-) Steve

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Regarding Issue #126 ·
by Barry Warsaw 10 Feb '16

10 Feb '16

On Feb 02, 2016, at 10:37 PM, Aswin kumar wrote: >I would like to know if this Issue #126 · is still open? Is it related to the >merge request Merge Request #51 ? Yes. MR#51 is still labeled WIP (work-in-progress) so I haven't considered merging it yet. It also has some merge conflicts; it probably needs to be rebased. This is Abhilash's work, so I defer to him as to how close it is to being mergeable. Cheers, -Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Error in starting mailman
by Mark Sapiro 08 Feb '16

08 Feb '16

On 02/08/2016 08:42 AM, Aditya Divekar wrote: > I got the following error when I was trying to start the mailman service today - > > master: error: The master lock could not be acquired. It appears as > though there is a stale master lock The service was not gracefully stopped the last time it was running and left the master lock behind. The FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/17891756> describes how locks are implemented in Mailman 2.1, but Mailman 3 is similar. There is a var/locks/ directory in your Mailman hierarchy. In it you will see two files. in MM 2.1, they would be named master-qrunner and master-qrunner.hostname.pid. In MM 3 they will be similar. Assuming there is no process with PID = pid running on hostname, you can safely remove those files. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Error in starting mailman
by Aditya Divekar 08 Feb '16

08 Feb '16

I got the following error when I was trying to start the mailman service today - master: error: The master lock could not be acquired. It appears as though there is a stale master lock It first printed a long script regarding the Master subprocess watcher and then threw the above error. It was working completely fine just a day back. Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSOC 2016
by Aditya Divekar 08 Feb '16

08 Feb '16

And I had previously mailed you directly, but I think I missed you there. So I mailed it again here. Sorry if I caused any inconvenience. On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Aditya Divekar <adityadivekar03(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Stephen, > I had earlier contacted you on the developer > mailing list regarding the gsoc project. > I have started reading about ARC as you suggested and have thought > about a few things. > When we use mailman, the mailing list service adds an extra phrase in > the subject - [Mailman-Developers] and an extra footer in the mail > giving links about the FAQ, archives and the security policy. This > alters the original subject and the body of the mail that the sender > sent in the first place. According to my knowledge, this is what might > cause the mail to be rejected by yahoo, aol, or other p=reject policy > domains. > Thus implementing ARC would involve including the ARC authentication > result header, the signature and the seal in every mail that Mailman > receives before it forwards it in the mailing list. This would > probably involve using the pydkim, gs.dmarc and pyspf libraries for > verification before we generate the ARC authentication results. > As a starter I think I should understand how the dkim,dmarc and spf > authentication processes are coded. > could you tell me how to find existing code where I can read and > understand how the authentication methods are implemented? > Thanks! > > > Aditya. > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen(a)xemacs.org> wrote: >> Aditya Divekar writes: >> >> > My name is Aditya Divekar. I am a sophomore from IIT Guwahati. >> >> Nice to meet you, Aditya! I'm the main DMARC/IETF wrangler for >> Mailman, and I would be the main mentor for the ARC project. >> >> > I want to work on the project "Implement module to process ARC >> > headers". I have begun reading about RFC a bit. >> >> That's a good start. If you have questions, feel free to ask. For >> general questions that are mostly about "how do I hook code into >> Mailman" or about GSoC, please ask on this list. Not only will you >> get better and quicker answers, but the questions and answers will >> benefit other developers too. For questions about ARC, you can write >> me directly or the list, as you feel comfortable. >> >> Or once you start to get the feel of things you may try to ask on the >> ARC list. However, IEFT lists are probably very different from >> anything you've participated in before. High stakes are involved >> (there are people with millions of dollars invested in servers there) >> and people can be a little terse. Not to mention the vocabulary will >> likely be new to you. >> >> The next thing to do would be to join the ARC mailing list and lurk: >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.dmarc.org/mailman/listinfo/arc-discuss >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> arc-discuss-request(a)dmarc.org >> >> Right now it's low-traffic. It's a Mailman list. I subscribed with >> the digest, and get maybe one a week. >> >> > Please help me get started in the right direction and if possible >> > share some timeline goals. >> >> Well, the main timeline goal would be to get done in time for the live >> test of implementations being held by the DMARC folks -- on Feb 19. >> So I guess that's not going to happen! >> >> It is my belief that a full implementation (with bugs still in it) can >> easily be done in a summer starting from a reasonable amount of >> programming skill in Python. If you're better than average it will >> probably be integratable into Mailman and ready for participating with >> other implementations on the Internet at the end of the summer. >> >> With that in mind, please read How to SPAM >> (http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp/Blog/SPAM.txt) and other general >> information about GSoC proposals at >> http://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google%20Summer%20of%20Code%202016. >> Then write something up. Pretty much anything. It doesn't have to be >> complete, it just needs to demonstrate you've thought for a few >> minutes about what you think you need to do. >> >> Yes, this is pretty sketchy. If you're going to work with me, you >> need to accept that I'm going expect you to try something plausible >> before I tell you what I expect. I'm not a complete curmudgeon about >> it, but I have found that it is a good way to work for me. >> >> Regards, and happy hacking! >> >> Steve >>

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GSOC 2016
by Stephen J. Turnbull 08 Feb '16

08 Feb '16

Aditya Divekar writes: > My name is Aditya Divekar. I am a sophomore from IIT Guwahati. Nice to meet you, Aditya! I'm the main DMARC/IETF wrangler for Mailman, and I would be the main mentor for the ARC project. > I want to work on the project "Implement module to process ARC > headers". I have begun reading about RFC a bit. That's a good start. If you have questions, feel free to ask. For general questions that are mostly about "how do I hook code into Mailman" or about GSoC, please ask on this list. Not only will you get better and quicker answers, but the questions and answers will benefit other developers too. For questions about ARC, you can write me directly or the list, as you feel comfortable. Or once you start to get the feel of things you may try to ask on the ARC list. However, IEFT lists are probably very different from anything you've participated in before. High stakes are involved (there are people with millions of dollars invested in servers there) and people can be a little terse. Not to mention the vocabulary will likely be new to you. The next thing to do would be to join the ARC mailing list and lurk: To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.dmarc.org/mailman/listinfo/arc-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to arc-discuss-request(a)dmarc.org Right now it's low-traffic. It's a Mailman list. I subscribed with the digest, and get maybe one a week. > Please help me get started in the right direction and if possible > share some timeline goals. Well, the main timeline goal would be to get done in time for the live test of implementations being held by the DMARC folks -- on Feb 19. So I guess that's not going to happen! It is my belief that a full implementation (with bugs still in it) can easily be done in a summer starting from a reasonable amount of programming skill in Python. If you're better than average it will probably be integratable into Mailman and ready for participating with other implementations on the Internet at the end of the summer. With that in mind, please read How to SPAM (http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp/Blog/SPAM.txt) and other general information about GSoC proposals at http://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google%20Summer%20of%20Code%202016. Then write something up. Pretty much anything. It doesn't have to be complete, it just needs to demonstrate you've thought for a few minutes about what you think you need to do. Yes, this is pretty sketchy. If you're going to work with me, you need to accept that I'm going expect you to try something plausible before I tell you what I expect. I'm not a complete curmudgeon about it, but I have found that it is a good way to work for me. Regards, and happy hacking! Steve

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MM3 errors when attempting to view messages held for moderation
by fsantiago＠garbage-juice.com 07 Feb '16

07 Feb '16

see my error output from django: http://pastebin.com/6LX76ya8 i suspect there's many messages held for moderation as I've been playing around with my testing, mailman-bundler setup for mm3 but now i cannot access the held for moderation list. any clues out there? Thanks. - Fabian S.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSOC 2016
by Abhilash Raj 07 Feb '16

07 Feb '16

Hi Raunaq, Please always include the -developers list when sending a mail related to GSoC. CC'ing the list here. On 02/04/2016 04:20 AM, Raunaq Abhyankar wrote: > Dear Abhilash, > In that case, could u please suggest some other integration solution > possibilities that I can work on? (Idea 2) I think it would be your job to think about the possible ways to integrate Gitlab with Mailman. Other might be able to help with it, but I myself don't have any pointers as to how to help you. > > And in the shared bookmarks toolkit (idea3), what small tasks are u > looking for? Again, *I* am not the one who will be choosing the tasks to complete the application. I am sorry, but I can not help you find a right sized project for the summer other than the ones listed on the GSoC ideas page. I can certainly tell if you if the project you chose is good enough for a summer. You are free to ask the general developer list for more brainstorming over some ideas/pointers that you have. > > And pls provide the link to setting up the codebase. If you read the GSoC wiki page carefully, I am sure you will find all the links to setup your development environment. You can refer to gnu-mailman.rtfd.org and list.org too! > > On Feb 4, 2016 1:36 AM, "Abhilash Raj" <raj.abhilash1(a)gmail.com > <mailto:raj.abhilash1@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hi Raunaq, > > On 02/03/2016 03:51 AM, Raunaq Abhyankar wrote: > > Hey! I would like to work on the following ideas: > > I think three of them are too much for one summer. Try choosing one and > then clearly defining what do you want to do with these ideas. > > > 1.Preset list settings template. > > There is an active discussion going on this topic with another student > on -developers list. Try to look through the archives and see if can > understand the idea behind this and then maybe come up with a good > solution/proposal on how to do this. > > > 2.Gitlab integration > > This probably was rejected as a good idea for a GSoC project in itself. > The reason being you can always add the list's mailing list to the list > of subscribers on any of the code sharing sites which would send in the > updates. Although, I think the current setup to subscribe to events > individually is much better and fine grained as per individual's > choices. > > I am open if you want to do some other kind of "integration" that would > really help people. > > > > 3.Shared bookmarks toolkit > > This looks like a small project but can be added along with small > projects to create a summer of code proposal. You can expand more on > what this toolkit will do and how and look for another one or two easy > tasks. > > > > > > > How do I go about the same. > > > > Regards, > > Raunaq Abhyankar > > > > On Feb 3, 2016 4:13 AM, "Abhilash Raj" <raj.abhilash1(a)gmail.com > <mailto:raj.abhilash1@gmail.com> > > <mailto:raj.abhilash1@gmail.com <mailto:raj.abhilash1@gmail.com>>> > wrote: > > > > Hi Raunaq, > > > > On 02/02/2016 10:40 AM, Raunaq Abhyankar wrote: > > > Dear Developers, > > > Hi! I am Raunaq Abhyankar from Mumbai, India. I am a Third Year > > Computer > > > Engg student from Mumbai University. > > > > > > I would like to work on the following project ideas: > > > 1. Dashboard for Admins/Owners/Moderators > > > 2. Anonymous lists > > > > I think you visited the old GSoC page. Please read > > http://wiki.list.org/x/17891941 for the latest information on > GSoC 2016 > > and in general about the application process. > > > > > > What is the procedure for applying to the given projects? > > > Are any preGSOC activities (bug fixes / enhancements et al) > > supposed to be > > > performed? > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > RAunaq Abhyankar > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Mailman-Developers mailing list > > > Mailman-Developers(a)python.org > <mailto:Mailman-Developers@python.org> > <mailto:Mailman-Developers@python.org > <mailto:Mailman-Developers@python.org>> > > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers > > > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/raj.abhilash1%40… > > > > > > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > > > > > > > -- > > thanks, > > Abhilash Raj > > > > -- > thanks, > Abhilash Raj > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

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Mailman 2.1.21 release - IMPORTANT update
by Mark Sapiro 05 Feb '16

05 Feb '16

I am pleased to announce the second release candidate for Mailman 2.1.21. This fixes a serious bug in the first release candidate in that the few new list attributes weren't initialized for new lists. 2.1.21rc1 would work with lists migrated from older releases but lists created under that release were unusable. If you installed 2.1.21rc1, you should upgrade to 2.1.21rc2, and if you created new lists under 2.1.21rc1, see the attached fix_list procedure. Python 2.4 is the minimum supported, but Python 2.7 is strongly recommended. This release includes a few new features and several bug fixes. See the attached README for details. Associated with these changes are six new and two modified strings in the i18n message catalogs. I strongly encourage anyone with an interest in translations of Mailman to get this release and help with updating the translations for the final 2.1.21 release which is planned for the end of February. This candidate is expected to be quite stable. All the changes since 2.1.20 have been installed in the python.org Mailman as they were developed and are running without known issues. The only reason why this is a candidate and not a final release is to allow time for i18n updates to be in the final. Mailman is free software for managing email mailing lists and e-newsletters. Mailman is used for all the python.org and SourceForge.net mailing lists, as well as at hundreds of other sites. For more information, please see our web site at one of: http://www.list.org http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman http://mailman.sourceforge.net/ http://mirror.list.org/ Mailman 2.1.21rc2 can be downloaded from https://launchpad.net/mailman/2.1/ http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/mailman/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/mailman/ -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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GSOC 2016
by Aditya Divekar 04 Feb '16

04 Feb '16

Hi everyone, My name is Aditya Divekar. I am a sophomore from IIT Guwahati. I have recently gotten involved with the mailman project, and gained familiarity with postorius and mailman core. I want to work on the project "Implement module to process ARC headers". I have begun reading about RFC a bit. Please help me get started in the right direction and if possible share some timeline goals. Thanks. Aditya.

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