Mailman 3 March 2016 - Mailman-Developers

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Contribution to the "Preset list settings templates"
by Abhilash Raj March 9, 2016

March 9, 2016

Hi Vijay, On 03/09/2016 01:23 AM, Vijay Dwivedi wrote: > Hello, > > I am a Computer Science Undergraduate interested in contributing to the > GSoC'16 list styles project. > I have knowledge of Python and have programmed in this language. Welcome! > I am pretty much enthusiastic regarding the development of list styles for > different mailing purposes > and I seek help regarding where to start from for this project. There is a discussion going on this project idea on this very list, you can find the details in the archives[1]. Please let me know if you have specific questions or ideas about this. I would need to than `where to start` to be able to help you out. > I shall be highly thankful for the help. > [1]: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Discussion On Project Idea "Preset List Settings Templates" .
by Abhilash Raj March 9, 2016

March 9, 2016

On 02/10/2016 10:03 AM, Harshit Bansal wrote: > Hi Abhilash, > In our previous discussion you mentioned that : > >> Permissions should also consider if the user wants to make his new style >> public or keep it private. And should public styles be editable by >> anyone or just read-only? > > I am unable to think of a use case in which it will be useful to have > private styles.. Can you please suggest a suitable use case? Well, i agree there is nothing "private" in list styles. We could just make all styles read-only for everyone. But if someone wants to use the style created by other users, it would be better idea to first make them copy the style so that the behavior or their list doesn't change when the owner changes the style. Barry: If you have some time, I would like to hear some of your thoughts on this thread? I believe you have some ideas of your own on how this is supposed to work. > > Thanks, > Harshit Bansal. > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] CAPTCHA support
by Florian Fuchs March 9, 2016

March 9, 2016

On Sat, Mar 05, 2016 at 16:27:31PM +0530, Aditya Divekar wrote: >Hi! >I was looking around the mailman code, and could not find the functionality >for captcha in the mailing lists subscription pages. >I think it could be a good feature to implement in the upcoming versions, >and would like to know if its a good idea? >I also came across the thread - >http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.mail.mailman.user/74167 >and read about the previous discussion on it by some members. >Since captcha back then was easier to break, it might not have been a >profitable feature, according to the thread. >But with the new recaptcha, I would like to know if the stand is the same. There are a number of alternatives to captchas to prevent spam. None of them is perfect, but one I kind of like is the honeypot approach: It's basically an empty and visually hidden input field that is ecpected to be emptily submitted. Most spam bots will try to fill it with some text, which is the warning flag that can be used to ignore those submits. The big plus is that it won't require human users to take any extra action, making it completely unobtrusive to *most* users. The one major downside is that it might be confusing to users who use screen readers and to whom this extra input is properly displayed, which might cause some confusion. Of course, this can be solved somewhat by labelling the field accordingly, something like "Are you human? Than keep this empty". Also, I have no idea how sophisticated spam bots are becoming in detecting honeypots, for instance by only trying to use "known" fields like "username", "email address" and so forth. Still, even if this is not a perfect solution, it might still be better than the big usage impediment of captchas. As a side-note, especially to those who are using screen readers: What is your experience regarding the use of JavaScript in current screen readers? Is this still mostly a no-go for web sites aiming to be accessible or has there been some improvement? Cheers, Florian > >Thanks > >Aditya >_______________________________________________ >Mailman-Developers mailing list >Mailman-Developers(a)python.org >https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers >Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ >Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/f%40florianfuchs… > >Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9

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Contribution to the "Preset list settings templates"
by Vijay Dwivedi March 9, 2016

March 9, 2016

Hello, I am a Computer Science Undergraduate interested in contributing to the GSoC'16 list styles project. I have knowledge of Python and have programmed in this language. I am pretty much enthusiastic regarding the development of list styles for different mailing purposes and I seek help regarding where to start from for this project. I shall be highly thankful for the help. -- *Regards,* *Vijay Prakash Dwivedi* CSE Undergrad NIT Allahabad +91-8175971936

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Mailman3- postorius_standalone Issues
by Stephen J. Turnbull March 8, 2016

March 8, 2016

Fotso Fono writes: > Hello, i am trying to set up Mailman3 everything has been moving on > well. i ran the command "python manage.py runserver" in > postorius_stanalone. when i access localhost:8000 and error pops on > the terminal saying "no module middleware found" and an error page > is displayed on browser. I tried getting the root of the problem. > In postorius_stanalone in the MIDDLEWARE_CLASSES, > "postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware" seems to be the one > causing the the problem. Depending on how you set up your installation (you need to tell us that!!), you *may* be able to just remove that line. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/107 for slightly more information.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Developters] GSoC support
by Abhilash Raj March 8, 2016

March 8, 2016

Hi, Please try to always include -developers list in all discussions related to GSoC, unless it is something very personal that you want to ask or discuss with the mentors. Second, try to use formal English for all communications on this channel (First letter capital). It is important that you learn that very first before we go down working on the problems related to programming. On 03/06/2016 12:19 AM, amil shanaka wrote: > Hi, > thank you for your reply. other than that can we use any open source > packages like netty and what prototype do we need to implement regarding > pub/sub .. MQTT or AMQP ? The idea is to make a common interface that can use any messaging back-end that does the Job. I guess MQTT is meant for high latency and unreliable network, not much of our use case, so AMQP should be more relevant. However, I am not very aware about the current trends in the message passing and pub/sub models out there right now. It would be your job to choose the framework that you think is best for the purpose, after you have clearly define the *purpose*. And the explain why you chose it over other alternatives. > Thank you, > amil > > On 6 March 2016 at 02:20, Abhilash Raj <raj.abhilash1(a)gmail.com > <mailto:raj.abhilash1@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hi Amil, > > On 03/05/2016 03:22 AM, amil shanaka wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm a 3rd year under graduate in the department of Computer Science and > > Engineering at University of Moratuwa, Sri Lanka > > > > I tried to connect with mailing list in Mainman but it doesn't work. > > > > I did my Internship In WSO2 Message Broker Team. so i learned about > > MQTT(with netty) and AMQP protocols about how message broker work with > > sub/pub with topic,durable topics and also i did a research about off-heap > > implementation for mb. > > > > So I want to know more details regarding* Message queue based email > > archiver *Project which i can proceed through. > > Right now, Mailman sends each email it receives to the (enabled) > Archivers through a POST request. We want to have a pub/sub kind of > model for the emails as well as some of the events that other archivers > or apps built on top of mailman can consume. Events like ListCreated, > ListRemoved or something like that. > > The above is just a very basic idea of what we want. You need to focus > your application around how we can do this. Florian and Aurelien would > be able to help you better if you come up with some ideas. You might > want to go through the current codebase for Mailman, looking for the > parts of code that are concerned with Archivers. A general idea about > the complete architecture would also be a good idea. > > There are several design documentation about the architecture of Mailman > 3 core. You can find article in the mailman3 docs, there is a chapter in > Architecture of Open Source Applications book v2 and also there is a > talk that Barry gave in PyCon 2012. > > Just as a reminder, you need to submit atleast one merge request fixing > any of the issues mentioned in the bug tracker of any mailman projects. > > Let us know if you have more questions. > > > > > > Please Refer My LinkedIn: (amil shanaka > > <https://lk.linkedin.com/in/amilshanaka>) for more detail about me > and the > > projects I've done so far. > > > > Hope you will help me with this. > > > > Thanks, > > > > -- > thanks, > Abhilash Raj > > > > > -- > > *Amil shanaka* > > *Integrated Computer Engineering | University Of Moratuwa* > > mobile : (+94)* **718548973 *| email : *catchamil(a)gmail.com* > <mailto:catchamil@gmail.com> | *amil.12(a)cse.mrt.ac.lk > <mailto:amil.12@cse.mrt.ac.lk>* > > skype : *amilshanaka* > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

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Pastebin considered "suboptimal" [was: Mailman-bundler installation]
by Stephen J. Turnbull March 8, 2016

March 8, 2016

Daman Singh writes: > Here is a small suggestion, instead of pasting terminal text here you > should consider using pastebin. -1. Pastebin goes away, making the post useless to anybody who experiences the same problem in the future. Even while it lasts, it mean you have to search the whole web rather than site:mail.python.org for something you *know* you saw on mailman-developers. (Google doesn't care, I suspect, but you can thin out the results quite quickly with a site: spec.) Steve

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman-bundler installation
by Simon Hanna March 8, 2016

March 8, 2016

On 03/08/2016 03:35 AM, Aditya Divekar wrote: > Hi, > I recently reinstalled my OS, ubuntu 14.04 , and was trying to get the > development server for mailman running. (I had mailman running in my > previous OS setup, but I had to reinstall my OS due to some python issues) You generally don't want to reinstall an os. You should fix it. OTOH I'm using archlinux, so it might just be arch talking :D > For this I was following the mailman-bundler documentation. After Do you want to participate in development? Then _don't_ use mailman-bundler. Mailman-bundler is for production setups and to just try it out. Refer to the documentation of the projects on readthedocs.org on how to get dev setups running. > activating the python2.7 virtual environment, when I give the command to > start mailman, I get an error. > (venv) aditya@aditya:~/mailman-server/mailman-bundler$ sudo > ./bin/mailman-web-django-admin runserver & > [1] 3299 _Never_ ever run this using sudo !!!! You should only use sudo to do administrative tasks on your pc. Do not run any program that throws errors using sudo. That might actually brick your pc and in the end require a reinstallation > (venv) aditya@aditya:~/mailman-server/mailman-bundler$ INFO Generating > grammar tables from /usr/lib/python2.7/lib2to3/Grammar.txt > INFO Generating grammar tables from > /usr/lib/python2.7/lib2to3/PatternGrammar.txt > INFO Generating grammar tables from /usr/lib/python2.7/lib2to3/Grammar.txt > INFO Generating grammar tables from > /usr/lib/python2.7/lib2to3/PatternGrammar.txt > Performing system checks... > > System check identified no issues (0 silenced). > March 07, 2016 - 20:43:38 > Django version 1.8.11, using settings 'mailman_web.development' > Starting development server at http://127.0.0.1:8000/ > Quit the server with CONTROL-C. > /home/aditya/mailman-server/mailman-bundler/mailman_web/urls.py:7: > RemovedInDjango19Warning: Default value of 'RedirectView.permanent' will > change from True to False in Django 1.9. Set an explicit value to silence > this warning. > url(r'^$', > RedirectView.as_view(url=reverse_lazy('hyperkitty.views.index.index'))), > > WARNING /home/aditya/mailman-server/mailman-bundler/mailman_web/urls.py:7: > RemovedInDjango19Warning: Default value of 'RedirectView.permanent' will > change from True to False in Django 1.9. Set an explicit value to silence > this warning. > url(r'^$', > RedirectView.as_view(url=reverse_lazy('hyperkitty.views.index.index'))), > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/wsgiref/handlers.py", line 85, in run > self.result = application(self.environ, self.start_response) > File > "/home/aditya/mailman-server/mailman-bundler/eggs/Django-1.8.11-py2.7.egg/django/contrib/staticfiles/handlers.py", > line 63, in __call__ > return self.application(environ, start_response) > File > "/home/aditya/mailman-server/mailman-bundler/eggs/Django-1.8.11-py2.7.egg/django/core/handlers/wsgi.py", > line 170, in __call__ > self.load_middleware() > File > "/home/aditya/mailman-server/mailman-bundler/eggs/Django-1.8.11-py2.7.egg/django/core/handlers/base.py", > line 50, in load_middleware > mw_class = import_string(middleware_path) > File > "/home/aditya/mailman-server/mailman-bundler/eggs/Django-1.8.11-py2.7.egg/django/utils/module_loading.py", > line 26, in import_string > module = import_module(module_path) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/importlib/__init__.py", line 37, in import_module > __import__(name) > ImportError: No module named middleware > > > I tried checking for the solution online, but couldn't find a fix. I > reinstalled django twice to ensure that the installation was thorough, and > that all the libraries were installed. > Has anyone faced this issue? There is an issue over at postorius regarding this https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/107 You will have to manually fix it. > Note - I am currently running django 1.9.4 in both python3 and python2.7, > and have installed django 1.8.11 in the 'venv' virtual environment. postorius and hyperkitty are currently python2 projects. So python3 will most probably not work at all

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Mailman3- postorius_standalone Issues
by Fotso Fono March 8, 2016

March 8, 2016

Hello, i am trying to set up Mailman3 everything has been moving on well. i ran the command "python manage.py runserver" in postorius_stanalone. when i access localhost:8000 and error pops on the terminal saying "no module middleware found" and an error page is displayed on browser. I tried getting the root of the problem. In postorius_stanalone in the MIDDLEWARE_CLASSES, "postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware" seems to be the one causing the the problem. Please is there any solution to this or have i done something wrong?? I am new to mailman. thanks in advance

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSOC 16
by Abhilash Raj March 8, 2016

March 8, 2016

Hi Saurabh, Pranjal Yadav writes: > Hi everyone >> > > Hi Saurabh > > >> I am a second year student from IIIT hyderabad. >> I liked the project GitLab/development tools integration >> How should I proceed into this project. >> > > First step is to complete the setup. You should follow " > http://mailman.readthedocs.org/en/release-3.0/". > You can also take a look at " > http://mailman-bundler.readthedocs.org/en/latest/", since you will be > building > it for the first time it is expected that you may face some issues, if not, > great! I would like to add another line that use mailman-bundler only to test it out. If you are aiming for development, then it would be a good idea to setup the entire development environment manually. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

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