On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 12:14:58PM -0700, Jo Rhett wrote:
So I'm here, wasting my time, trying to get this solved so that just maybe we won't be forced to all migrate to web forums. Which would suck.
Yes, that would suck. I encourage you to please continue engaging this list and the developers, but would caution you that you've already caused at least three people to think you're being overly antagonistic.
So far I see documentation and some good scripts for fixing problems on existing systems coming out of this conversation. Please let's make improving that documentation and making 2.2 and 3.0 good by your standards a priority.
Jo, would you please be willing to take the lead in improving this wiki page:
http://wiki.list.org/display/SEC/Controlling+spam
since it looks rather stubbish? If you're willing to lead by example on the documentation and 2.2, your argument would likely come off a bit better. Now, if your goal is a public telling-off of the mailman team, I think you've already made that clear enough. Can we move on?
At ibiblio we host 500+ lists, including 41 cc- (creative commons) lists. Jumping from mailman to something else would be incredibly painful. We run on donations and we host sites like etree, groklaw, gutenberg... we could use your help if we're going to continue to do what we do. This open source world is a group effort that runs largely on good will and sharing. Your currency here often isn't valid if it doesn't come with a smile.
So please, I *very* much respect what you're trying to do. Your contributions so far have been incredibly valuable. Point your guns at the wiki and 2.2 now, eh?
That said, if 2.2 doesn't make progress on the backscatter front, ibiblio will have to re-evaluate its options. Specifically, I'd love to see the aliases and List- headers dealt with, both in terms of the defaults and in terms of providing documentation/tools for helping existing installations get up to snuff.
Cheers,
Cristóbal Palmer ibiblio.org systems administrator