On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 10:44:41PM -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
On 7/16/02 9:49 PM, "Jay R. Ashworth" <jra@baylink.com> wrote:
You can document your policies, and the person who wants to sign up can decide whether they can deal.
I don't think that's always good enough. You have to do what you can to back the policies up. Unless, of course, your policy is "you're screwed if you post to my list, and good luck stopping the spammers". Which is, effectively, what "make the owner of the mailbox handle it" does as a policy. Although I doubt you'd phrase it quite that way...
I was on 14 mailing list for 6 years; I saw no appreciable amount of spam *at all*...
Heh. Wanna guarantee messages get bounced all over the place? Just use the "V" word in an email. You know which one I mean. You'll set off alarms all over the universe. It's more fun than running through a parking lot seeing which cars have movement detectors on the alarms. Not that, um, I do that, you know.
<grin>
Yeah. I keep forgetting that not everyone has spent 17 years on Usenet.
Newbie.
I can still remember the month that I ceased to be able to read *the entire feed*. I'm not *that* much of a newbie; though, admittedly, B2.9 is about the oldest news system I had to deal with.
But that brings us almost immediately around to "why use email to do a Usenet's job"... which *LOTS* of mailing lists are doing, frankly.
Because usenet is so broke none of us even think of fixing it any more?
People tell me that all the time. I use slrn... and I don't see it, much.
I love to say "if all you have his a hammer, everything is a nail". In this case, email is our hammer, and mail lists aren't always appropriate for hammering, but have you seen what those idiots did to our screwdriver? I ain't picking that up, not without tongs and a blowtorch.
Perhaps I'm lucky, perhaps I'm blind...
You've jumped ship before. So have I.
Hell, I turned jumping ship into an art form.
I know; I saw the website. :-)
In my heyday, usenet peopleset their clocks by it. Well, maybe their calendars.
:-)
I finally grew up, too, and learned to both manage my stress levels and accept my responsibilities.
I construed jumping ship *as* doing those things.
They'll learn, eventually.
Not that I've noticed.
Well, stupidity is supposed to be expensive. And painful.
We're working on that (a quiet voice whispers: "but a f---ing mac already! It has unix inside for all you geeks, too!")
<roar>
Heh. A unix box with a pretty damn good gui, in a lap top so you can carry it anywhere, for about a grand. Effing wow.
:-)
My sister runs a page that's always in the top 3 on Google in her keyword, on a user-named account on Mind-link. Been there over 6 years now. She's had a pseudo-bogus address in her POP3 domain buried in a mailto: on there for over a year.
*One* piece of spam.
I am amazed.
I have just +hacked the mailto that is in *my* weblog as the comment address. We'll see what happens. I'm not all that important, but...
She's not exactly a low profile target.
You, OTOH, are. How well "hidden" were your honeypot machines? "plaidworks.com" is likely not a low-profile domain, neither.
You flatter me. I think.
Maybe.
Cheers, -- jra
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