Hi, I think our new logger should set group writable to the new logs. I tried a fresh install and get cgi error after mailmanctl start / mailmanctl errot after cgi execution, vice versa. The patch should look like this: Index: Mailman/loginit.py =================================================================== --- Mailman/loginit.py (revision 7892) +++ Mailman/loginit.py (working copy) @@ -103,6 +103,8 @@ # There was also a 'debug' logger, but that was mostly unused, so instead # we'll use debug level on existing loggers. # + # First set umask because both mailman/www write logs + oumask = os.umask(002) # Start by creating a common formatter and the root logger. formatter = logging.Formatter(fmt=FMT, datefmt=DATEFMT) log = logging.getLogger('mailman') @@ -120,6 +122,8 @@ _handlers.append(handler) handler.setFormatter(formatter) log.addHandler(handler) + # restore original umask + os.umask(oumask) -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/