On 2/20/02 7:26 PM, "Jay R. Ashworth" firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Show me the systems, jay, that work for real people, not us geeks that run our own boxes on our own desks.
Volvos are very safe, Toyotas are in the middle, sand rails are *just not safe at all*.
You're avoiding the issue. If you don't build the system so real people can use it, real people won't. Which means they'll go use something else, so why bother build this at all?
Hotmail and Yahoo are jokes. They're free; you take what you're paying for.
They're popular. And you ignored AOL, the 500 pound gorilla. Just because you don't like them doesn't give you the right to tell others not to use them, just to fit your idea of how this stuff ought to be done.
Spaminator. You picked precisely the example I had in mind. If the masses *demand* solutions, those solutions *will* happen.
Oh, god. You're going to castrate mailman just to try to force users to take up arms in your personal fight? Convince them to join. Don't destroy other tools to try to coerce them into it.
Wrong attitude. Sory, I won't buy into it. You can't gut one tool to try to force people into buying into a fight. They aren't stupid -- they don't buy in, they go elsewhere. And I won't support your castrating mailman for a personal agenda for how spam ought to be fought. I'm not interested in those fights. I'm interested in building tools that get the right job done for people.
See above: no, some of those cases (specifically Yahoo and Hotmail) are in fact insoluble, but that's *Hotmail* and *Yahoo's* fault, and their user's problem. AOL needs to solve it's own problem -- they've made the bed, their users are laying in it. Deals with the devil never work out well.
Nope. Sorry. That's a copout.