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Seeing as those running this are volunteers I see no reason they should jump to do your bidding. Seeing your attitude I see no reason they should want to.
You're missing the point. I'm an Abuse Admin. This isn't my problem, nor is it my bidding. If you run Mailman, this is *YOUR* problem.
Jo --
For what it's worth, you've stated your problem with impeccable clarity. What you haven't done with the same aplomb is acknowledge and respond to the equally legitimate concerns of the developer community here.
- "I am asking that the developers start paying attention *NOW*."
-- Reply: "Nobody has said they should ignore the problem, just that *you* are *way* too late in the process to expect them to stop the release of 2.1.10 for this major change in behavior."
- "This is not substantive, it's trivial."
-- Reply: "From the point of view of the release manager, there are no trivial code changes to a release candidate."
-- Reply: "A text change breaks 35 existing Mailman translations, and breaks them to the extent that changing a single character in the English text, causes that text to be rendered in English on the translated page. This requires 35 translators or translation teams to update their translations. This is anything but trivial."
And you're intermixing it with impatience and superciliousness:
"You are stuck in the last century, aren't you?" "Now that basic education is out of the way..." "Sorry, as stated your proposal sounds either naive or insane." "Hyperbole like this wastes everyone's time. I don't care what is done. Do something that makes it better."
Like it or not, Mailman is a major development project with limited volunteer resources. It has strategically determined its own course -- security fixes and translation updates only for 2.1; new features without major redesign for 2.2; major redesign for 3.0 -- and it has a standard professional release cycle.
Like it or not, your complaint of backscatter, while completely accurate and relevant, will not be fixed in the 2.10 timeline. And you need to respect that to keep a stable, reliable product with the limited volunteer resources it has, Mailman must follow these development guidelines.
A compromise for 2.1 has been proposed -- a README.backscatter file, better wiki documentation, and getting the information out so that under the 2.1 framework backscatter can be minimized through sysadmin awareness. I encourage you to take the lead in this effort since the issue is clearly important to you. A halfway solution for 2.2 has been proposed -- changing the default behavior -- and I encourage you to provide the developers with strategic advice on how to make your life, the abuse administrator, more manageable. And a good solution for 3.0 has been proposed -- an LMTP transport that can help Mailman do SMTP-time rejections.
Mailman is a community project, and you'll find a receptive and helpful audience for your issue when you give the community's concerns the consideration they deserve.
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