"Chuq" == Chuq Von Rospach firstname.lastname@example.org writes:
Chuq> But -- I hate to be bullheaded about this, but I will be -- Chuq> how does this benefit YOUR LIST? Yes, it benefits others, Chuq> and there's some value to that, but does it actually add Chuq> value to your list? Enough value to warrant handing your Chuq> subscriber list to the spammers?
To be precise, it's not the subscriber list; only about 1 in 5 posts, ever.
Chuq> If you "put it up to a vote" after explaining the situation, Chuq> do you think the subscribers of your list would vote to stay Chuq> in google?
I don't know. The people who post are a pretty public-spirited bunch, and they might very well volunteer for the abuse if that means that non-subscriber XEmacs users get better service. It may not be all that costly to them, either. I only see about 15% of the spam sent my way, and I don't filter very hard. I think a lot of the posters do substantially better than that (eg, we've got several TMDA users).
But it really doesn't matter, because the XEmacs devel lists are an extreme case as far as I can tell. I guess my bottom line here is that you've got me convinced that the _default_ should be no Google and private archives. My basic point was to give an example of a case where the purpose of the list is more than just communication among the subscribers. I suppose that in some cases that purpose warrants considering open archives, just as list managers have to have published addresses so they can perform subscriber services.
Now that I'm aware of the issue, I'll have to do something about assessing whether the value to non-subscriber users outweighs the abuse the posters take.
But once again, I'd like to point out that _I didn't explicitly ask for this job_. I'm doing it because the mailing list is an essential service to XEmacs users, and the archives are too. Since the guy who was list admin ran out of volunteer time, leaving things in this state, I'm "it". Note: he was presumably aware of the issue---he's a long-time TMDA user. And he took a fair amount of care to make things as easy as possible for those who followed; he moved to Mailman as the list server, for example, although as far as the list subscribers were concerned the existing Majordomo installation was working fine.
If a conscientious expert sets things up this way, how was I supposed to know? I certainly hope Mailman will _by default_ make it easy for people in my position to do the right thing.