On Jul 7, 2006, at 12:08 AM, Brad Knowles wrote:
OTOH, I've used Linux and OSX, and before that NeXT, Solaris and various Unixes for (unfortunately, way :) longer than there's been a web, and except for the Windows programming I do at work, haven't ever used IE for any substantial amount of time. I'm not excusing poor sites or Windows-specific sites, but for the most part, these days most sites are at least usable with Firefox on various platforms. (The one sole recent exception was the SQLAlchemy doc pages which gave Firefox fits but rendered just fine in Safari -- and I'm sure those guys didn't tailor their pages for IE.). Yeah, you hit the occasional WMV or ActiveX laden site, but I'm much more bugged by the Flash-only sites that are an avoidable annoyance for me, but I can imagine are a scream-out-loud frustration for screen reader based users.
As a screen reader person I will say that Flash-only can be made to work, there is accessible flash, but it is rarely done. If it isn't implemented, a site can be useless, however you can do a good job, my department did a whole web training thing in accessible flash, and it works fine for blind users -- which is good since
Now, I know that you're not that kind of person, and you will actively test your work with MacOS X/Safari, and as many other browser/OS platforms you can. But the more complexity that is built into the user interface, the higher the likelihood is that something will accidentally happen somewhere to seriously break something for someone else.
Actually, I think skilled and judicious use of modern web technology can help to /reduce/ the complexity of Mailman's interface. Something I constantly struggle with is the plethora of configuration variables (both via the web u/i and in mm_cfg.py) that makes the system highly complicated. I would love to have a self-discoverable interface, or an interface that can be used to selectively reveal just the parts you're interested.
- -Barry
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