On Oct 29, 2011, at 06:39 AM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
I suggest we use the term 'Mediator' as introduced by D. Crocker in RFC 5598 <http://www.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc5598.txt> instead:
A Mediator attempts to preserve the original Author's information in the message it reformulates but is permitted to make meaningful changes to the message content or envelope.
A Mediator's role is complex and contingent, for example, modifying and adding content or regulating which Users are allowed to participate and when. The common example of this role is a group Mailing List.
(see section "2.1.4. Mediator" and also section "5. Mediators")
That makes a good case for Mediator.
Hmm, if there are no intermediate processes between receiving a message and approving it a List-Approved-Date seems fine. But if there are we run into the same problem as described below with List-Archived-Date - you can't tell when it was queued and when processing took place.
Adding a second header might make the useful distinction:
List-Received-Date RFC 2822 date timestamp when message was received by MLM
List-Approved-Date RFC 2822 date timestamp when message was approved by moderator
What if the message is automatically approved? Does it get a List-Approved-Date header? Merging with Murray's concept of Received states, it might just make more sense to put all that information into Received headers.
Another header that might be useful here would be List-Approved-By which could be the name or email address of the moderator who approved it. Right now, MM3 doesn't fill that in, and it could of course be filled in by say list-owner@example.com, but in MM3 it could be potentially filled in with the preferred address for the moderator that approved it.
I see the benefit because it helps if you moderate in a team. But I fear the anger of people whose postings we decline. They search for moderator identities and then start molesting them e.g. by subscribing them to mailing lists that don't require opt-in. (Happend to me python.org postmaster. The angry person subscribed my address to various pr0n mailing lists and it took me weeks to get unsubscribed.)
Good point. I do want to provide the opportunity to "anonymize" ownership roles via generic owner email addresses. E.g. on the listinfo page.
ACK with the notion that hashtag seems to closely realted with twitter and a more general 'tag' would stay away from that.
Is there or should there be a distinction between 'tag' and http 'keywords' <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_element#The_keywords_attribute>? Should we use 'keywords' instead?
We can't use Keywords, because that header is already used as input to various functions such as the topic tagger. We have to use a different header for "output". I can't think of anything better than List-Tags though.
List-Archive-Send-Date 'List-Archive-Send-Date' sounds pretty clumsy and overly long. OTOH we needn't care, as it will only be added to messages that go to the archive, right?
Archive-Transmit-Date, Archive-Transfer-Date, Archiv-Transfer Marks the beginning in opposition to Archive-Received-Date or Archive-Received. But then again an archiver could simply add a Received:-header!
Not an easy one.
Agreed. :/
-Barry