Hi Benedict,

On 20/06/11 20:41, Benedict Stein wrote:

HI Andrew - you're absolutely right that something new is needed :-)

Good news for you is that there is already work in progress, community has collected some thoughts on the wiki, Anna begun Coding something last year, and florian helps me to create a new designed Django WebUI for Mailman 3.

PLease feel free to add your ideas to the following wiki page http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Web+UI+Mockups

Concerning your image - I like the idea to have a very flat subscription page without all the confusing stuff around it. However there are lots more things which need to be integrated into this UI - I don't know if you've seen the bunch of possibilitys in the config - i didn't before aplying on this as GSoC project ;-) - you might take a look at http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/New+Menu for inspiration.

PS: I tend to be online all european day (9-22) on IRC - maybe we could have a chat for further ideas as well. (nick:"benste")

That sounds good I shall add the mockups to the wiki page (however currently I cannot edit it, does someone need to give me permissions?)

Also you are right about me not knowing a lot about the different possibilities :) I shall have to look at these.

Yes I would like to have a chat, however currently I am slightly busy but I shall try to chat to you later.

Thanks :)

-- Andrew

-- Andrew

On 21/06/11 16:51, Terri Oda wrote:

Andrew wrote:

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That sounds good I shall add the mockups to the wiki page (however currently I cannot edit it, does someone need to give me permissions?)

Yes, to control wiki spam you have to ask for permission before you can write documents. I've given your account authorial permissions so you should be able to edit pages now!

Terri

Thanks Terri, I have now added my updated mockups to that page. The designs also include an overview for all mailing lists and Unsubscribing

-- Andrew

-- Andrew

Hi Terri,

On 20/06/11 23:43, Terri Oda wrote:

Benedict already gave you a response about the summer of code project in progress... I encourage you to get involved with that! For one, your mockups are certainly pretty and I suspect your design input would be much appreciated for making nicer Mailman themes.

Thankyou :)

However, at a glance I see one flaw in your interface: no unsubscribe button! I know, this happens under "edit options" but as the unofficial usability person on the Mailman dev team, let me tell you, that's a flaw in our older versions and something we most definitely shouldn't do again.

Yes this is something I wasn't entirely happy about in the mockups, and I will have to change.

-- Andrew

-- Andrew

On 21 Jun 2011, at 09:14, Benedict Stein wrote:

I'd suggest if we have this kind of subcription page for each list we could change the subscribe button to unsubscribe once a user is logged in - and add a small link if he's not logged in.

No, you need to be able to unsubscribe without logging in. A mailback mechanism should be usable. I can't tell you how irritating it is that I can't do this on Apache mailing lists, where I'm subscribed using an address that I can't send email from!

Am Montag, den 20.06.2011, 18:43 -0400 schrieb Terri Oda:

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Benedict already gave you a response about the summer of code project in progress... I encourage you to get involved with that! For one, your mockups are certainly pretty and I suspect your design input would be much appreciated for making nicer Mailman themes.

However, at a glance I see one flaw in your interface: no unsubscribe button! I know, this happens under "edit options" but as the unofficial usability person on the Mailman dev team, let me tell you, that's a flaw in our older versions and something we most definitely shouldn't do again.

Terri

Andrew wrote:

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Hi,

I am sure very free software developer has the Mailman mailing list web page imprinted into their mind, however after looking at it for the thousandth time, I thought that there is a lot of uneeded information on a page where there doesn't need to be.

Anyway I tried to improve it and the results are here http://and471.deviantart.com/art/GNU-Mailman-New-Design-214023110

I would love to hear your comments on it :)

Thanks

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On Jun 21, 2011, at 09:43 AM, Ian Eiloart wrote:

No, you need to be able to unsubscribe without logging in. A mailback mechanism should be usable. I can't tell you how irritating it is that I can't do this on Apache mailing lists, where I'm subscribed using an address that I can't send email from!

This will be a bit easier in MM3, because you'll be able to link multiple email addresses to one single account. So in theory, you'd be able to interact via email with MM3 from any of your registered *and* validated addresses.

-Barry