Re: [Mailman-Developers] observation from a bystander :) [long and boring]
Peter, as a bystander myself I can certainly understand your frustration and have sometimes found myself in similar situations. But I also think you might have to lower your expectations on other people's urge to please you.
Here's some basic guidelines when dealing with free software:
- Don't expect someone else to do more than yourself.
- Improvements are done through working code, not fancy suggestions.
- Be humble to the fact that active developers are sacrificing their free time.
- Your situation is of common interest only if it results in a collective benefit.
- Always share your experiences, but never expect other to do the same.
- The more you contribute, the more respect and honor you will receive.
- If you are to criticize, make it factual and constructive.
- If you want improvements, use constructive suggestions, not complains.
- If your suggestions are not addressed, implement them yourself, or try to fill your needs with a different piece of software, never demand it from others.
- If you get no response from the community, there is always a good reason.
- Be patient.
Tomas
I want to thank Peter for this post. I personally try to get to Mailman stuff a couple times a week, but in the interests of time management, I generally don't respond to very much absolutely immediately. Some weeks it's worse than others, and I think it's just been a bad one for most of us :)
John
On Wed, Oct 28, 1998 at 06:34:05PM +0100, Tomas Fasth wrote:
Peter, as a bystander myself I can certainly understand your frustration and have sometimes found myself in similar situations. But I also think you might have to lower your expectations on other people's urge to please you.
Here's some basic guidelines when dealing with free software:
- Don't expect someone else to do more than yourself.
- Improvements are done through working code, not fancy suggestions.
- Be humble to the fact that active developers are sacrificing their free time.
- Your situation is of common interest only if it results in a collective benefit.
- Always share your experiences, but never expect other to do the same.
- The more you contribute, the more respect and honor you will receive.
- If you are to criticize, make it factual and constructive.
- If you want improvements, use constructive suggestions, not complains.
- If your suggestions are not addressed, implement them yourself, or try to fill your needs with a different piece of software, never demand it from others.
- If you get no response from the community, there is always a good reason.
- Be patient.
Tomas
Mailman-Developers maillist - Mailman-Developers@python.org http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers
Hello,
We personally exchanged some mail with Tomas and I think we agreed that my mail was maybe too harsh for the situation, so I apologize if anyone got offended.
It contained some questions still waiting to be answered, though :-))
(And maybe some ideas to be refined, especially the original on mailman-users.)
best wishes, grin
On Fri, Oct 30, 1998 at 01:39:22PM -0800, John Viega wrote:
I want to thank Peter for this post. I personally try to get to Mailman stuff a couple times a week, but in the interests of time management, I generally don't respond to very much absolutely immediately. Some weeks it's worse than others, and I think it's just been a bad one for most of us :)
John
On Wed, Oct 28, 1998 at 06:34:05PM +0100, Tomas Fasth wrote:
Peter, as a bystander myself I can certainly understand your frustration and have sometimes found myself in similar situations. But I also think you might have to lower your expectations on other people's urge to please you.
Here's some basic guidelines when dealing with free software: [...]
===========================+============================================= Peter "grin" Gervai | "It was like a visit by Don Corleone. I Linux root at Cory-Net Ltd.|expected to find a bloody computer monitor in Szekszard, Hungary |my bed the next day." -- Mark Andreessen of grin@iRCnet on #linux.hu |Netscape regarding the visit from microsoft.
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John Viega
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