On 2003-05-14 at 21:11:38 [+0200], mailman-developers-request@python.org wrote:
I'm not sure I understand the multiple SMTP backends. MAL says "for delivery", which I take to mean incoming. Our listproc setup delivers to a single host but sends from multiple hosts - that's time consuming work that can easily be parallelized. We'll do it with Mailman too, have just been procrastinating. The SMTP inbound traffic seems relatively trivial to me.
No, it is outbound "delivery of payload" - our application is large volume outgoing with negligible incoming. Using delivery makes sense for us in the overall sense and we use multiple SMTPs to make this as efficient as possible.
Charlie
On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 11:49, Charlie Clark wrote:
No, it is outbound "delivery of payload" - our application is large volume outgoing with negligible incoming. Using delivery makes sense for us in the overall sense and we use multiple SMTPs to make this as efficient as possible.
What do you do about bounce processing? What's your bounce back ratio? I would think that with deliveries skewed heavily toward outbound traffic, incoming bounces will be a fairly large headache, especially as lists need to be locked to register bounce scores.
-Barry
On 2003-05-15 at 18:06:45 [+0200], you wrote:
On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 11:49, Charlie Clark wrote:
No, it is outbound "delivery of payload" - our application is large volume outgoing with negligible incoming. Using delivery makes sense for us in the overall sense and we use multiple SMTPs to make this as efficient as possible.
What do you do about bounce processing? What's your bounce back ratio? I would think that with deliveries skewed heavily toward outbound traffic, incoming bounces will be a fairly large headache, especially as lists need to be locked to register bounce scores.
Without going into implementation details - MAL is better at that and it's his code - we check addresses a lot better as we don't even have double opt-in and we have a low bounce threshold. We uncluttered the management interface and reduced the number of members per page and provide useful feedback to the admin when checking addresses including a bit of Javascript to highlight changes or proposed deletes.
Using an RDBMS backend allows us to use CONSTRAINTS to catch duplicates and other invalidities. We recently did the import and caught nearly 2.000 from 25.000 and put them all straight on bounce. As the migration was recent and we don't often we don't expect to have reliable info on bounces before the summer. IMHO using an RDBMS for members offers lots of benefits: data integrity and less memory for Mailman as MAL has already explained.
Mailman has been a great basis for this work - it provides the brains for user management and we've been able to extend it to run SMS (text messaging) and other services - but we had to do a lot more than initially intended to achieve this. It's very much "organic" but, hey, it's Python so we can live with that! ;-)
Charlie
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