Re: [Mailman-Developers] Betas coming soon
Well, I just read the Emails on the new beta version. I hate to ask it, but was there a timetable on when we might expect it to be fully released? Just wondering cuz I just sent an Email out to my users that I'm installing 1.1 tomorrow and I'm not sure if I should just wait for 2.0. Will the upgrade path be difficult?
No pressure whatsoever! ;) -Ed
"EL" == Edmund Lau <elau@ics.uci.edu> writes:
EL> Well, I just read the Emails on the new beta version. I hate
EL> to ask it, but was there a timetable on when we might expect
EL> it to be fully released? Just wondering cuz I just sent an
EL> Email out to my users that I'm installing 1.1 tomorrow and I'm
EL> not sure if I should just wait for 2.0. Will the upgrade path
EL> be difficult?Sorry, I can't give a time frame for 2.0 final, but I don't suspect the beta cycle will be longer than a couple of weeks at most. There are already several of us using the current snapshot in production environments.
As for upgrading from 1.1 to 2.0, I think it will be fairly straightforward, but that's one of the things I'd really like the mm-devers to exercise. My biggest concern is what happens to messages in Mailman 1.1's mail queue. You really need to have this cleared out before you upgrade.
I should mention that on python.org, I didn't do an overlaying upgrade because I started using the new code base before I had all the proper update code in place. You can always create a new installation in a different directory, but moving lists from one directory to another, while possible, is time-consuming and a pain.
EL> No pressure whatsoever! ;)Sure, sure, that's what they /all/ say! :)
-Barry
Upgraded my test machine, which was running a month or two ago cvs snapshot, and so far things are ok. Except for gateing *to* a list, but someone already caught that.
If things look ok, I'll put it on my production server later in the week or early next.
Note that the images aren't in the cvs repository yet. (Is the python image really a PNG? Yuck.)
"RJ" == Ron Jarrell <jarrell@vt.edu> writes:
RJ> Upgraded my test machine, which was running a month or two ago
RJ> cvs snapshot, and so far things are ok. Except for gateing
RJ> *to* a list, but someone already caught that.Right. That change should have been checked in by now, so doing a cvs update should get you the fix to Mailman/Handlers/ToUsenet.py
RJ> If things look ok, I'll put it on my production server later
RJ> in the week or early next.Cool.
RJ> Note that the images aren't in the cvs repository yet.The should be! Take a look at
http://cvs.python.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mailman/misc/and you should find PythonPowered.png, gnu-head-tiny.jpg, and mailman.jpg which are the three logos.
RJ> (Is the python image really a PNG? Yuck.)Why yuck? My dilemma was this: PythonPowered.gif is purposefully transparent around the edges of the oval, but we can't use gifs because Mailman is Gnu. I'd have preferred jpegs for consistency, but I couldn't figure out how to make the transparency work (I don't think jpeg supports transparencies). png seemed the only compromise, and converting from gif to png was made easy by Eric Raymond's tool.
The downsides I see are support for png in browsers. NS 4.7 and MSIE 5.x both support pngs, but only MSIE supports transparent pngs (so if you change your background to other than white, it won't look nice). I'm open to suggestions, but this seems to me to be the best compromise as long as gifs are verboten.
-Barry
At 02:22 PM 3/21/00 -0500, you wrote:
"RJ" == Ron Jarrell <jarrell@vt.edu> writes:
RJ> Upgraded my test machine, which was running a month or two ago RJ> cvs snapshot, and so far things are ok. Except for gateing RJ> *to* a list, but someone already caught that.Right. That change should have been checked in by now, so doing a cvs update should get you the fix to Mailman/Handlers/ToUsenet.py
Will do.
Oh, also (which you may have fixed in this latest round of checkins, I haven't grabbed today's yet) the cron Makefile still wanted to install run_queue.
RJ> Note that the images aren't in the cvs repository yet.The should be! Take a look at
http://cvs.python.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mailman/misc/
Ah.. mailman/misc... I found mailman.jpg and dragonlogo.jpg in admin/www/images (which seemed a reasonably place for them), but not the others. Because having found some there, I didn't look in misc...
and you should find PythonPowered.png, gnu-head-tiny.jpg, and mailman.jpg which are the three logos.
RJ> (Is the python image really a PNG? Yuck.)Why yuck? My dilemma was this: PythonPowered.gif is purposefully transparent around the edges of the oval, but we can't use gifs
As the character on Saturday Night Live would say. "Oh. Never mind."
I knew earlier netscapes didn't do pngs. At some point when I installed Plugger into my solaris netscape it picked up PNGs. But handed them to an image program that couldn't display them. I'd seen that my attempts to do some PNG graphs (using a PNG converted GIFgraph, since GD doesn't do gifs) failed miserably... Apparently inline PNGs however, quite transparently to me, were working fine... I just went through and deleted all the variants of the mime type and the external handler, and lo and behold, pngs display right now. Go figure.
because Mailman is Gnu. I'd have preferred jpegs for consistency, but I couldn't figure out how to make the transparency work (I don't think jpeg supports transparencies).
No, they don't. Shame, really. If they did animation and transparancies, there'd mostly only be one format out there now.
"RJ" == Ron Jarrell <jarrell@vt.edu> writes:
RJ> Oh, also (which you may have fixed in this latest round of
RJ> checkins, I haven't grabbed today's yet) the cron Makefile
RJ> still wanted to install run_queue.Well, it's fixed now! Thanks... :)
RJ> Ah.. mailman/misc... I found mailman.jpg and dragonlogo.jpg in
RJ> admin/www/images (which seemed a reasonably place for them),
RJ> but not the others. Because having found some there, I didn't
RJ> look in misc...Yeah, that directory is what gets published at www.list.org, but other than that it's pretty separate from the rest of the code. I'd like to reorganize and improve the www tree at some point.
RJ> As the character on Saturday Night Live would say. "Oh.
RJ> Never mind.":)
RJ> No, they don't. Shame, really. If they did animation and
RJ> transparancies, there'd mostly only be one format out there
RJ> now.Or if Unisys would quit shooting themselves in the foot with LWZ. Still PNG is a nice format, so hopefully it'll start gaining more widespread use.
-Barry
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