not quite about mailman -- AOL data losses.
not quite on topic, but for list managers....
I finally have some real numbers on AOL silently eating email. A list member just came back from 2 weeks of vacation to find 1/3 of the digests sent during that time missing, never delivered. And all were accepted from my site by AOL, and I never saw any bounces.
More data here, but I've noticed the aol problems have gotten worse in the last couple of weeks. Six or seven of my list members have complained about missing messages, where before, I was getting one here, one there.
ugh. AOL seems to be imploding, or something. But this isn't good.
<http://www.plaidworks.com/chuqui/blog/000118.html#000118>
a semi RFE for mailman: one of my AOL users asked if we could number messages going out. I think under some circumstances, that might not be a bad idea. Not just for unreliable feeds, but for things like seed lists or other lists where reliablility is crucial... But not for 2.1....
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On Dec 4, 2002 at 19:58, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
a semi RFE for mailman: one of my AOL users asked if we could number
What's RFE, again?
messages going out. I think under some circumstances, that might not be a bad idea. Not just for unreliable feeds, but for things like seed lists or other lists where reliablility is crucial... But not for 2.1....
No, not for 2.1 :-P
What is a seed list?
Hmm, you could throw in YA X-header, call it X-MailmanSN, and have it contain yyyymmdd or the output from time().
-- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> I need a job! Perl, Apache, Linux, C. http://www-scf.usc.edu/~phanse/resume.pdf As I said before, I never repeat myself.
On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, at 09:12 PM, Satya wrote:
On Dec 4, 2002 at 19:58, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
a semi RFE for mailman: one of my AOL users asked if we could number
What's RFE, again?
sorry. Request for Enhancement.
(it's a feature, not a bug... giggle)
What is a seed list?
there are some lists that people use, like software developers working with their beta sites, where guarantee of reception is a good thing. seed lists is a variation of that (at least, that's what we call them)
Hmm, you could throw in YA X-header, call it X-MailmanSN, and have it contain yyyymmdd or the output from time().
tough for AOL, though. it throws out a lot of that stuff. The AOL person suggested putting it in the subject line flag area (as in [Mailman-Developers:113]), which is as good as anything.
-- Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/> I need a job! Perl, Apache, Linux, C. http://www-scf.usc.edu/~phanse/resume.pdf As I said before, I never repeat myself.
Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers
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On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 09:16:02PM -0800, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
Hmm, you could throw in YA X-header, call it X-MailmanSN, and have it contain yyyymmdd or the output from time().
tough for AOL, though. it throws out a lot of that stuff. The AOL person suggested putting it in the subject line flag area (as in [Mailman-Developers:113]), which is as good as anything.
ezmlm throws the message id into the envelope sender as part of the VERP - or as part of the crypto hash that is in the VERP. I forget which. That's something that even AOL can't screw with.
-Peter
-- The 5 year plan: In five years we'll make up another plan. Or just re-use this one.
On Dec 4, 2002 at 21:16, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
[X-headers]
tough for AOL, though. it throws out a lot of that stuff. The AOL
Sheesh, if they're not going to do email like everyone else, they're not part of the internet. I mean, pulling out headers, come on? Dropping email silently, when *not* blackholed? ::gibbers::
person suggested putting it in the subject line flag area (as in [Mailman-Developers:113]), which is as good as anything.
Okay, but that bloats the subject line more, and will get flames from people who filter on "[listname]" instead of "List-Id:.*listname". Whatever. As long as you don't mess with List-Id, I don't care :-\.
How about adding a line just after the headers, in the body, saying "message x of y"? Or in the footer or wherever Mailman inserts stuff.
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"S" == Satya <satyap@satya.virtualave.net> writes:
S> How about adding a line just after the headers, in the body,
S> saying "message x of y"? Or in the footer or wherever Mailman
S> inserts stuff.That wouldn't be too hard to wedge in. I have some thoughts about how to do more personalization from data driven from a database, so post-2.1 I'll upload some thoughts on that.
-Barry
"CVR" == Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com> writes:
CVR> a semi RFE for mailman: one of my AOL users asked if we could
CVR> number messages going out. I think under some circumstances,
CVR> that might not be a bad idea. Not just for unreliable feeds,
CVR> but for things like seed lists or other lists where
CVR> reliablility is crucial... But not for 2.1....There's a patch on SF to do something like this IIRC. Perhaps from Tokio Kikuchi? I deferred it so it's probably in the 2.2/3.0 group, but I'm too tired right now to search for it.
-Barry
CVR> a semi RFE for mailman: one of my AOL users asked if we could CVR> number messages going out. I think under some circumstances, CVR> that might not be a bad idea. Not just for unreliable feeds, CVR> but for things like seed lists or other lists where CVR> reliablility is crucial... But not for 2.1....There's a patch on SF to do something like this IIRC. Perhaps from Tokio Kikuchi? I deferred it so it's probably in the 2.2/3.0 group, but I'm too tired right now to search for it.
Yes, it (the patch) is out there for a few month now. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=601117&group_id=103&atid=300103
You may need to adjust a bit by hand for the latest cvs. I will try to update if I have time.
-- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/
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