Hi Stephen

Thanks for your feedback. I sincerely apologize for CC'ing people in the mail who weren't mentors. But, during my experience with work at ASF, I was asked to mention the project head in all mails when there is no mentor assigned on an idea. That is solely the reason why I included Terri and Barry (who are on the list of mentors and also responded to my doubts). I guess the culture varies from organization to organization and I should have been wary of this or should have followed usual email etiquette. It was wrong on my part and I am sure this was a learning experience and I would ensure that this wouldn't happen another time.

Regarding your second comment, I indeed took Terri's suggestion about Intel XDK and am evaluating it while I am writing the proposal. And I have missed out Postorius responsive UI project idea. Thanks for pointing it out.

And regarding login screens, I meant them to be like the settings page of apps where we provide our username and password and it will be saved until a user wants to revoke it. That way, the user won't be asked for username and password every time he wants to use the app.

But, taking your suggestions, I think I shouldn't hold back on my proposal but should send it in and take feedback on it on the whole without asking individual questions. I will turn it in once I complete it and am sure there would be much more feedback I can expect from the likes of you.

Thanks

On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull stephen@xemacs.orgwrote:

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I hope my mail hasn't missed your attention. I would be very much obliged if someone could answer this question so that I can go ahead and write proposal.

First, it's impolite to send mail to specific people just because they're answered you before, unless they are specifically interested in mentoring your project or have requested personal mail. I don't think either is true (according to the wiki, there are no prospective mentors for this project -- I'm sure there are some, but they're not identified). Everybody reads this list, and by addressing them specifically you may be sending them duplicates. Note: no harm done this time, but you will be a much more valuable developer if you become sensitive to these "marginal" "people skills".

Second, you yourself have not responded to a somewhat detailed comment from Terri about using HTML5. I for one have been waiting for that. See also the "Postorius Responsive UI" project.

Third, "there's not much here to comment on" is all I really have to say. From the Subject I can see that you're interested in a handheld interface. From the text you quote, I see you have a *very* basic grasp of the requirements of web protocols for this application. You probably know a heck of a lot more -- but that's all I can confirm from your posts.

The way you ask is problematic. On the one hand, a GSoC proposal is not a homework for school. There are no "right" answers, only good ones and better ones. And you don't have to give a superior answer immediately to qualify, only show promise of heading in the right direction. (Of course, there are more students than slots, so you also have to show more promise than others. But you have another week or so to improve, and the delta can be in your favor.) On the other, it's not *one* question. Rather, it has a strong whiff of "please write half my proposal (the hard half) for me".

So just write your proposal so there's something to actually comment on.

All that said, "login screens" are way clunky for modern handheld apps. Users expect a smooth convenient experience. Second, that experience does not include entering passwords on a frequent basis. You should look into including TLS authentication. These need not be present in the initial design, and maybe they won't even be in your delivered product. But you should think in terms of a design that allows easy upgrades to the UI.

Steve

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I have gone through the Admin interface and all functions that can be achieved with the REST API. I intend to have a login screen where a

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can enter URL for the REST API endpoint, REST Username and password. We will use this to subsequent authenticate all requests made to fetch subscribers list, domains list, etc.

I was wondering if I could get some feedback on this. I will start writing my proposal based on this starting point and list out what all I would features I would be implementing during the period of GSoC.

Regards

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Thanks. I would have probably missed it out the first time. I will go through the web UI and also the documentation of REST API to understand what all functions need to be implemented in the admin interface for a user.

Regards

On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Rajeev S rajeevs1992@gmail.com wrote:

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You will be asked for the create user prompt only the first time you run syncdb.That's why you don't see it now.

Once the DB is created, only new tables, specified via django models, get added to DB during the syncdb.

*Regards,Rajeev S* *Government Engineering College,Thrissur* *http://rajeevs.tk http://rajeevs.tk*

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Hi Rajeev

I wasn't asked if I wanted to create a super user when I executed python manage.py syncdb. This was the output I got with syncdb: Creating tables... Installing Custome SQL... Installing indexes... Installed 0 object(s) from 0 fixture(s)

I tried python manage.py createsuperuser and was able to login with details I provided there.

Thanks for your help.

Regards

On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Rajeev S

> Hi Bhargav, > > You will be asked whether to *add a superuser* during *syncdb*. If > you answered no to that, do *python manage.py createsuperuser * and > use that username and password to login. > > > *Regards,Rajeev S* > *Government Engineering College,Thrissur* > *http://rajeevs.tk http://rajeevs.tk* > > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Bhargav Golla < bgolla@g.clemson.edu>wrote: > >> Hi Abhilash >> >> If you mean the last step of installation where we do cd >> postorius_standalone;python manage.py syncdb, I wasn't asked for any >> username/password. I checked the settings.py and it doesn't have any >> specific default username/password. >> >> And the http://localhost:8001/3.0 worked for me. >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Abhilash Raj < raj.abhilash1@gmail.com >> >wrote: >> >> > Hi Bhargav, >> > >> > On Wednesday 05 March 2014 07:36 PM, Bhargav Golla wrote: >> > > Thanks for that change Rajeev. I was able to get the Web UI up and >> > running. >> > > I was trying to find out the default Username and password for >> this but >> > was >> > > unable to. When I was exploring docs in mailman.client and some >> config >> > > files in mailman, I found that the default username and

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>> example >> > or >> > > would it be any different? >> > >> > AFAIK it is 'http://localhost:8001/3.0'. (Try it once. If I am >> wrong >> > please someone correct me) >> > >> > > >> > > Thanks >> > > >> > > >> > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Rajeev S < rajeevs1992@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > > >> > >> Hi Bhargav, >> > >> >> > >> Just do *mailman start*, without the bin. >> > >> >> > >> I have edited the wiki. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> *Regards, Rajeev S* >> > >> *Government Engineering College,Thrissur* >> > >> *http://rajeevs.tk http://rajeevs.tk* >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:37 PM, Bhargav Golla < >> bgolla@g.clemson.edu >> > >wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> Thanks Barry and Terri for your feedback. >> > >>> I was trying to install Postorius locally and analyze what all >> would be >> > >>> required in a mobile app for Admin. Doing the same, I have hit a >> > >>> roadblock. >> > >>> I am using the wiki provided here[1]. I tried to install >> mailman using >> > >>> "set >> > >>> up sources" part of the wiki. Though python setup.py install >> executes >> > >>> without any errors, I am unable to see the folder bin/ in

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>> same >> > >>> directory. So, even though I proceed with further setup, I am >> getting a >> > >>> "Mailman REST API not available. Please start mailman core" on >> my >> > >>> localhost:8000 webpage. Could anyone help me here? >> > >>> >> > >>> [1] >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >> http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/A+5+minute+guide+to+get+the+Mailman+web+UI+... >> > >>> >> > >>> Thanks >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 1:18 AM, Terri Oda

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>> and >> > >>> screen >> > >>>> sizes. I've found it a very useful tool, and not just because >> I work >> > >>> for >> > >>>> Intel now! >> > >>>> >> > >>>> 2. Can I assume that all mailing lists built by Mailman >> support the >> > >>> REST >> > >>>>> interface? Also, I have tried to see if I can get JSON >> responses and >> > I >> > >>> am >> > >>>>> unable to by adding a HTTP Accept Header to take >> "application/json". >> > >>> Am I >> > >>>>> doing anything wrong or is JSON not implemented? >> > >>>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> I don't know the answer to this off the top of my head: Barry? >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> 3. As a starter, could I ignore internationalization for >> GSoC, but >> > >>>>> implement interface in such a way as to be able to >> internationalize >> > it >> > >>>>> easily? >> > >>>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> We don't expect you to actually translate anything, don't >> worry. :) >> > But >> > >>>> you should definitely build as much as possible so that >> > >>>> internationalization will be easy: make sure there's a quick >> way to >> > get >> > >>> a >> > >>>> list of strings that need translation, at least. Some of

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>> end of >> > the >> > >>>> summer for internationalization. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Terri >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> -- >> > >>> Bhargav Golla >> > >>> M.S Computer Science >> > >>> Github http://www.github.com/bhargavgolla | >> > >>> LinkedINhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/bhargavgolla >> > >>> | Website http://www.bhargavgolla.com/ >> > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>> Mailman-Developers mailing list >> > >>> Mailman-Developers@python.org >> > >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers >> > >>> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 >> > >>> Searchable Archives: >> > >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ >> > >>> Unsubscribe: >> > >>> >> > >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/rajeevs1992%40gma... >> > >>> >> > >>> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > Abhilash Raj >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Bhargav Golla >> M.S Computer Science >> Github http://www.github.com/bhargavgolla | >> LinkedINhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/bhargavgolla >> | Website http://www.bhargavgolla.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-Developers mailing list >> Mailman-Developers@python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers >> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ >> Unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/rajeevs1992%40gma... >> >> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 >> > >

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