I just heard mention of a commercial mailling list manager, lyris, that upon a tiny bit of investigation looks similar in some ways to mailman - eg, the admin interface layout:
(listinfo?), the orientation on web interfaces, "automatic error handling" (bounce handling), built-in archives, built-in mail engine (for "blinding speed"), etc. From poking around a little, it looks like they use perl at least as an extension language - i wonder how it's built.
I'm pretty curious how long it's been around - they claim that:
"Lyris was the first email list server to offer a web interface for list administrators and members."
so i wonder if it predates the mailman betas. (I also noticed the phrase
No more "get me off this list!" messages.
on the lyris "about" page (http://www.lyris.com/about.html), , framed as "failsafe unsubscribing" - i think i saw this phrase in a recent mailman-users posting, i would not be surprised if the poster saw it there...)
It has some nice stuff that mailman doesn't - one interesting idea seems to be to use a news server for the archives. That way, archive browsers can use a news interface, or use a web browser to a news/web gateway. (They probably do not do exactly this - the mail interface is a separate product, "multi view", so i'm probably missing something...)
Wish i had more time to investigate, if anyone does, please report back...
Ken Manheimer firstname.lastname@example.org
In "Re: [Mailman-Developers] commercial maillist system, lyris, looks rather similar" Ken Manheimer wrote:
It has some nice stuff that mailman doesn't - one interesting idea seems to be to use a news server for the archives. That way, archive browsers can use a news interface, or use a web browser to a news/web gateway.
Interesting approach. That is surely a possible workaround for the current lack of MIME support in pipermail archiving. As a matter of fact, I like the idea so much that I will give it a try. Why didn't I thought of that before ;-) Now, if I only could remember where I last saw that nice (MIME aware) web frontend for reading (mail and) news... On the other hand, most people today already have the necessary software (part from a browser) for reading both mail and news. So I guess the archive-through-news approach will work in most cases.