Re: [Mailman-Developers] Users, Bounces, and Virtual Domains (was (no subject))
On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:10:13 -0800 Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com> wrote:
At 6:27 PM -0800 12/14/00, J C Lawrence wrote:
Heck, remove the entire concept of mailing lists entirely and make the very existance of a list and its configs and membership dynamic:
You send a message to <something>@lists.domain, Mailman receives it, does an LDP query for every user with a <something> attribute on their record, and broadcasts the message to that generated list of addresses.
you just defined the server I'm looking at rewriting, probably next summer. We did a preliminary of that a couple of months ago. it gets -- well, very interesting.
Care to comment?
Virtual hosts are a hack, and an ugly hack at that. I don't see that they are worth wasting time on when multiple installation appeases the privacy concerns.
they're a necessary hack, too. We can't blow them off trivially. *I* need them for various things.
They are needed now, yes, this I don't argue. Post IPv6 I don't see much use for them any more and I expect their use to almost vanish. Heck, more simply, once application-centric VLANS (ala IPSec for instance) become common (which is already happening but is really pending IPv6 to get the address space) the whole problem is going to get messy on a far different score (multiple addressing and side-scale use of non-routable network blocks without accepted authentication).
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At 3:27 PM -0800 12/15/00, J C Lawrence wrote:
you just defined the server I'm looking at rewriting, probably next summer. We did a preliminary of that a couple of months ago. it gets -- well, very interesting.
Care to comment?
it's not strongly defined yet, but we've talked about taking our existing corporate server, and re-doing it. Right now, the group list is either corporate generated (organizational aliases) or user-built (through a web-based system). it feeds me the data set a few times a day, and I massage it into a massive sendamil alias setup and some added control datasets.
The hope is to redo this so taht the interface is LDAP, so whenever an email comes in, we pull the data out of the database to see if it's a defined list, and if so, whether the user is validated to send to it (and if they are, send it, of course). So that my MLM would keep zero data local, and generate everything dynamically on request.
In a case like this, I have no control of the data, I'm a read-only leaf node. So I can'y do sub/unsub or even bounce processing (although we're talking about exactly how to deal with that. it's a problem).
They are needed now, yes, this I don't argue. Post IPv6 I don't see much use for them any more and I expect their use to almost vanish.
and once we fully implement style sheets in browsers, we can kill a lot of bad HTML hacks.
yu're correct, but that's far enough out in practical terms I'm not sure we want to build that as a design idea.
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