Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade script for old databases?]
On Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:25:39 -0500 Ken Manheimerklm@digicool.com wrote:
[Christian tismer is having problems migrating a bunch of maillists to the new version, specifically because of the skew in customized (and even non-customized!) list web page templates. It brings up what i think is a substantial question about the template mechanism. I want to put the issue out there, see what the prevailing wisdom is. Details below...]
I share his concerns, and am running into a few similar problems with clients I'm deploying MailMan at. Further, while the template structure is useful, the ability to define complex nodes for the templates is not wonderful.
eg When the HTML for the list introductory description (that gets inserted into the listinfo page) is non-trivial, is is an absolute bitch to edit and correct in the provided form.
Getting http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev/ to look right took almost an hour. It still isn't quite right, but I've given up trying to fix the last niggles figuring its "good enough".
Note: The only editing I did on the template was on the archives section as I don't use pipermail. All the rest is via the template expansion.
-- J C Lawrence Internet: claw@kanga.nu ----------(*) Internet: coder@kanga.nu ...Honorary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith...
"JCL" == J C Lawrence claw@kanga.nu writes:
JCL> I share his concerns, and am running into a few similar
JCL> problems with clients I'm deploying MailMan at. Further,
JCL> while the template structure is useful, the ability to define
JCL> complex nodes for the templates is not wonderful.
JCL> eg When the HTML for the list introductory description
JCL> (that gets inserted into the listinfo page) is non-trivial,
JCL> is is an absolute bitch to edit and correct in the provided
JCL> form.I agree completely. I think there's a lot we could improve here, although it'll naturally be after 1.0. This might include revision control, higher level selection of template parts (e.g. checkboxes to include certain sections), etc. I don't have any bright ideas though.
I've taken to never removing anything from the HTML. I just comment stuff out all over the place.
-Barry
Hi Friends...
... *blush* (gulp)
just FYI: I kinda "solved" my problem today, unfortunately.
I happened to use the "rmlist" script from Mailman 0.95 without parameters. Then, I realized that this removed *all* mailing lists of starship.skyport.net in a single sweep.
Dead, done, no more archives, oh well. I will be able to rebuild the python-de archive from my local mailboxes, but my customers will be unhappy...
So, I no longer have a migration problem :-( :-) :-/ !-[
ciao - chris.dead.letter
"Barry A. Warsaw" wrote:
"JCL" == J C Lawrence claw@kanga.nu writes:
JCL> I share his concerns, and am running into a few similar JCL> problems with clients I'm deploying MailMan at. Further, JCL> while the template structure is useful, the ability to define JCL> complex nodes for the templates is not wonderful. JCL> eg When the HTML for the list introductory description JCL> (that gets inserted into the listinfo page) is non-trivial, JCL> is is an absolute bitch to edit and correct in the provided JCL> form.I agree completely. I think there's a lot we could improve here, although it'll naturally be after 1.0. This might include revision control, higher level selection of template parts (e.g. checkboxes to include certain sections), etc. I don't have any bright ideas though.
I've taken to never removing anything from the HTML. I just comment stuff out all over the place.
-Barry
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"CT" == Christian Tismer tismer@appliedbiometrics.com writes:
CT> I happened to use the "rmlist" script from Mailman 0.95
CT> without parameters. Then, I realized that this removed *all*
CT> mailing lists of starship.skyport.net in a single sweep.Gack! Well, at least this particular bug is fixed in Mailman 1.0b9 (going out today). Small consolation...
-Barry
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