"Bognar, Attila" wrote:

Hi all,

I'm quite new to this list. I faced a "problem": I run a maillists for Hungarian people and the problem is that some of them don't speak english very much. So I have/should change the English text to Hungarian.

So what I suggest: when creating a new list, there could be a question, which asks what language the list should be. The datas of languages could be taken for example from ~mailman/templates/hungarian/

Well, we (Victoriano Giralt and I) have the same trouble and we're thinking on modifying mailman to support different languages.

We see the multilingual issue as a three pronged one: - The mail messages sent by the MLM to the users. - The apparence of web pages. - And the commands used to control the MLM via e-mail.

At first, we should tack the two fist ones. The last one is not a big issue thanks to the amazing web user interface :) ;)

Our approach to the problem would be as follows:

• The system should have a default system language, defined at install time, which will be used for everything unbound to any list.

• The system will have a set of supported languages, that can be selected as list default language (list creation) or by users for interfacing to
  system areas not related to a list.

• A list can support a subset of languages of server, one of them being the list default language, that will be used for users that don't select a language and and for any list general messages, like the signature appended to list messages.

• The user selected language will be used for the web interface and for personal messages, like password reminders.

• The templates will be customisable like they are now, but on different languages.

• List info webpage could be shown in any language supported by the list.

• System logs will be in English. System manager should know what they are doing :)

This ends the philosophical part. Now the hard implementation issues :)

Directory $prefix/templates would include different directories, each dedicated to a diferent language, from which the selected new list languages, would be copied. So, this structure would be replicated for every list, but only for the list supported languages.

templates/es/ spanish de/ german bu/ bulgarian it/ italian, etc

The system messages would use a similar directory structure. A new directory, called $prefix/messages, would be created, to hold the supported languages. This directory would hold a module per supported language, named 'language'.py, i.e.: es.py, de.py, bu.py, etc

Each file could have entries like:

--- BEGIN es.py --- ErrorInvalidPasswd = 'Error: clave incorrecta' ListNotFound = 'la lista no se encuentra: %s' DEFAULT_MSG_FOOTER = """_______________________________________________ lista de distribucion %(real_name)s - %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s %(web_page_url)slistinfo/%(_internal_name)s """ --- END es.py ---

And to use it: It should be at the beggining of a program that wants to use it, like:

import MsgLang -- or whichever name it should have Msg = MsgLang.MsgLang() -- We are going send messages in the server default language Msg = MsgLang.MsgLang('es') -- We are going to send spanish messages

print Msg.msg('ErrorInvalidPasswd') returns 'Error: Invalid Password"'

print Msg.msg('ListNotFound') % 'List' should return 'la lista no se encuentra: List'

VBLE = {'web_page_url' : 'http://www.uma.es/', 'real_name' : 'Lista', 'host_name' : 'uma.es', '_internal_name' : 'XXXX'} print Msg.msg('DEFAULT_MSG_FOOTER') % VBLE should return '_______________________________________________ lista de distribucion Lista - Lista@uma.es http://www.uma.es/listinfo/XXXX'

We have a little problem, one of us is new to Python, but we won't reveal who :)

Of course this is open to discussion on this list.

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