Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Bug 985149] Add List-Post value to permalink hash input
On Apr 23, 2012, at 02:33 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
What are you doing hanging out in e-mail circles, then? ;-) It has to be the most prominent example of a computing field where smtplicity has led to a disaster, and it has never been easy to understand!
For some reason, I have Ren and Smtpy on the brain today. :)
I dunno. It seems to me that a lot of the lists where the users and admins would not care about flexibility, machine-friendliness, and continuity are also good candidates for moving to web forums in any case. (Yeah, I know that Barry wants to kill web forums; but if so, those users are going to have to coexist with mine!)
Well, Paul Graham made me want to kill email, forums, archives, newsgroups, and IMAP. I don't know how to do it, but be on notice you old <wink> media, we're gunnin' for ya.
I don't find hashes (or most message IDs) to be human-friendly[1] at all, and (if it's not going to be a tinyurl) I really only want the line containing the URL to be less than 78 characters so I can be pretty sure nothing is going to try to insert a linebreak. I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on a lot of things. ;-)
FWIW, a tinyurl would be very cool, but I don't know how to calculate those without state, and state probably requires communication between the archiver and Mailman.
Bottom line: I don't have a problem with you having your preferences, and if you "win" I can work around it, but I do have multiple use cases for List-Id != List-Post that I raise for consideration by the group.
[1] FVO "human" that includes a larger population than "geeks like me"! My MUA is set to display Message-Id and References by default!
Mine too. :)
-Barry
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