Varun,
Perhaps I did miss-attribute the material. Thank you for pointing it out. I offer my apologies for doing so. Sometimes the "quote levels" get confused and it is not easy to tell which author provided some particular text.
Since you appear to be the one responsible for the suggested behavior, would you please address the concerns that I raised about it.
In particular, consider what mechanisms would be needed to handle your item 2 below (Knowing changes ...) What if there are multiple moderators who go on overlapping vacations?
Richard
On May 19, 2013, at 11:38 AM, varun sharma varunsharmalive@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Richard, I think you have misunderstood my paragraph to be barry's. I was suggesting the adding up of pending tasks of moderators and list owners to their "ToDo" list during their vacation period with suspension of email. The phrase which you have mentioned, might be confusing. But actually i was talking about two different operations.
- The mail delivery will be stopped for moderators as well as list
owners. So the moderators should also not receive any "add request pending" email during the vacation period.The todo queue will remain updated. 2. The second thing is some moderators might be interested in knowing the administrative changes done in their absence. So they should receive a summary of the tasks done(eg. users added) in their absence once they come back from vacation.This was what i was talking about in that paragraph.
On 5/19/13, Richard Wackerbarth rkw@dataplex.net wrote:
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Barry Warsaw barry@list.org wrote:
On May 13, 2013, at 10:52 PM, varun sharma wrote:
Question: Should you be able to add a vacation stop to moderator or owner emails?
I think the owner or moderators also should be allowed to use the in vacation suspension of mails from the mailing lists they moderate or own, given all the administrative tasks that need their attention must be added to their ToDo queue. eg: Lets say there is a mailing list that requires moderator's approval for any new user to join. If one of the moderator has set "on vacation" for his account, then he should only get "pending approval request" in his ToDo task list. If some other moderator responds to that request, then it will be automatically removed from the ToDo list of all the moderators, including the one "on the vacation" and the moderator "on vacation" will never know if there was any request.
Also there can be email alerts as soon as some task is added to the ToDo list but if the user is "on vacation" then he will not receive any of these emails until he disables his "on vacation" flag. All the pending ToDo tasks/(tasks done in his absence) may be emailed him at once when he comes back from the vacation.
Barry, You have used some phrases that cause me to infer that the -core would have to keep extensive information about moderation requests.
For example: "(tasks done in his absence) may be emailed him at once when he comes back from the vacation." I hope that you meant "tasks NOT done". Otherwise, someone would have to maintain a history of the tasks. (Although such an archive would appear to be a task more appropriate for the KittyStore and HyperKitty retrieval mechanisms.
Now, since "-core" maintains the queue of pending tasks and is also the agent that sends out emails, do you propose the add an "on demand" type of "digest" for the moderation queue? We might think of this as a rendering of the current task queue in an RFC-822-styled format analogous to the REST request that is delivered in a JSON based format. Presumedly, since this is a "push" notification, the "return from vacation" process could trigger this request.
Richard
Hi Steve, I think it will be a good idea to provide an option of digests, as the case you have mentioned may occur in a real situation.
Hi Richard, Lets take an example of a moderator of some mailing list:
==Before going on vacaton==
- If someone sends a "new user" request, the moderator will receive an
email in real time about request. 2. The task will be added to his and other moderators' ToDo list.
==During Vacation==
- If someone sends a "new user" request, the moderator "on vacation" will
NOT receive any email about pending "add user" request. 2. The task will be added to his and other moderators' ToDo list.
==After Vacation==
- He will receive all the emails as he was receiving before going on
vacation. 2. The pending tasks will show up in his ToDo queue 3. He will receive an email about the tasks done in his absence 4. He will receive email about pending tasks that were added to his ToDo list and are still pending.
So, I think the overlapping vacation may be handled in two ways:
- Follow up the procedure as written above , i.e: If there are multiple
moderators going on vacation for same span of time, then the tasks will remain pending in their ToDo list .During vacations, they can login to the postorius and see their pending tasks, but there won't be any email notifications about the pending tasks during the vacation period. But there will be no mailing list delivery.
- Second option as it came to my mind after you mentioned this case is
that, the last moderator(assuming all other moderators have already set thier "on vacation" mode without digests) going on vacation will not be allowed to completely opt-out of emails. As steve suggested, we can provide a digest mode for notifications also. So the last moderator going on vacation will have to choose "digest" mode for notifications as well as mailing list mail delivery if he want to go on vacation :)
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:36 AM, Richard Wackerbarth rkw@dataplex.netwrote:
Varun,
Perhaps I did miss-attribute the material. Thank you for pointing it out. I offer my apologies for doing so. Sometimes the "quote levels" get confused and it is not easy to tell which author provided some particular text.
Since you appear to be the one responsible for the suggested behavior, would you please address the concerns that I raised about it.
In particular, consider what mechanisms would be needed to handle your item 2 below (Knowing changes ...) What if there are multiple moderators who go on overlapping vacations?
Richard
On May 19, 2013, at 11:38 AM, varun sharma varunsharmalive@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Richard, I think you have misunderstood my paragraph to be barry's. I was suggesting the adding up of pending tasks of moderators and list owners to their "ToDo" list during their vacation period with suspension of email. The phrase which you have mentioned, might be confusing. But actually i was talking about two different operations.
- The mail delivery will be stopped for moderators as well as list
owners. So the moderators should also not receive any "add request pending" email during the vacation period.The todo queue will remain updated. 2. The second thing is some moderators might be interested in knowing the administrative changes done in their absence. So they should receive a summary of the tasks done(eg. users added) in their absence once they come back from vacation.This was what i was talking about in that paragraph.
On 5/19/13, Richard Wackerbarth rkw@dataplex.net wrote:
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Barry Warsaw barry@list.org wrote:
On May 13, 2013, at 10:52 PM, varun sharma wrote:
Question: Should you be able to add a vacation stop to moderator or owner emails?
I think the owner or moderators also should be allowed to use the in vacation suspension of mails from the mailing lists they moderate or
own,
given all the administrative tasks that need their attention must be added to their ToDo queue. eg: Lets say there is a mailing list that requires moderator's approval for any new user to join. If one of the moderator has set "on vacation" for
his
account, then he should only get "pending approval request" in his
ToDo
task list. If some other moderator responds to that request, then it
will
be automatically removed from the ToDo list of all the moderators, including the one "on the vacation" and the moderator "on vacation"
will
never know if there was any request.
Also there can be email alerts as soon as some task is added to the
ToDo
list but if the user is "on vacation" then he will not receive any of these emails until he disables his "on vacation" flag. All the pending ToDo tasks/(tasks done in his absence) may be emailed him at once when he comes back from the vacation.
Barry, You have used some phrases that cause me to infer that the -core would
have
to keep extensive information about moderation requests.
For example: "(tasks done in his absence) may be emailed him at once
when he
comes back from the vacation." I hope that you meant "tasks NOT done". Otherwise, someone would have to maintain a history of the tasks. (Although such an archive would appear
to
be a task more appropriate for the KittyStore and HyperKitty retrieval mechanisms.
Now, since "-core" maintains the queue of pending tasks and is also the agent that sends out emails, do you propose the add an "on demand" type
of
"digest" for the moderation queue? We might think of this as a rendering of the current task queue in an RFC-822-styled format analogous to the REST request that is delivered
in a
JSON based format. Presumedly, since this is a "push" notification, the "return from vacation" process could trigger this request.
Richard
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Richard Wackerbarth -
varun sharma