mailman 3.0 roadmap, feature-parity with mailman 2.x and documentation
Hi all,
Thank you for the unblemished service by Mailman. It is due to you that many FOSS projects continue to see the light of the day as email continues to hold its sway on developers rather than forums and mail management continues to be easier due to Mailman.
Newbie here. I have been reading the Mailman wiki page specifically http://wiki.list.org/DEV/Mailman%203.0
Now from the wiki page :-
"We aim to release Mailman 3.0rc1 in late April, 2015." - wiki entry
While RC1 is hopefully round the corner there doesn't seem to be a roadmap at least within mailman. The launchpad series gives the following :-
https://launchpad.net/mailman/+series
What would be nice is if there is some ETA as to when 3.0 will be released to the general public. Are there going to be another 2-3-4 RC releases before 3.0 is ready ?
Another query :-
" It is not yet at full feature parity with Mailman 2.x, but we're working on that for 3.1. " - wiki entry on the same page.
While this is good to know, is there a matrix of features somewhere which shows features of mailman 2.x vs mailman 3.0 . I am unable to find such a page in the wiki or perhaps I didn't search enough.
In any case if there is a listing of features of both mailman 3.x and mailman 2.x would be helpful for both newbies as well as experienced users as it will look like a snapshot of the features integrated or used in the new release. It doesn't have to be finished today but if there is even some information about the existence of such a page with differences between 2.x and 3.x would be immensely helpful.
Lastly, the documentation for 3.0.x seems to be a good way at http://gnu-mailman.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ would be nicer if there was a way to generate .pdf from the content therein.
Look forward to trying out Mailman 3 soonish.
Regards, Shirish Agarwal, Community Lead, Hamaralinux.org
On Apr 29, 2015, at 01:17 AM, shirish wrote:
"We aim to release Mailman 3.0rc1 in late April, 2015." - wiki entry
What would be nice is if there is some ETA as to when 3.0 will be released to the general public. Are there going to be another 2-3-4 RC releases before 3.0 is ready ?
Actually, we just released 3.0 today. :)
While this is good to know, is there a matrix of features somewhere which shows features of mailman 2.x vs mailman 3.0 . I am unable to find such a page in the wiki or perhaps I didn't search enough.
We don't really have this right now. I think we'll start to fill out the bug tracker with features or fixes that need to be forward ported to Mailman 3. Some things you won't miss, like passwords in clear text, monthly password reminders, having multiple accounts to manage subscriptions with different email addresses, no built-in archive searching, restrictions on naming lists in multiple domains, etc.
Lastly, the documentation for 3.0.x seems to be a good way at http://gnu-mailman.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ would be nicer if there was a way to generate .pdf from the content therein.
You can do it from the source tree. We build the docs with Sphinx and I believe it has a PDF option. We likely won't officially distribute PDFs.
Cheers, -Barry
Some things you won't miss, like passwords in clear text, monthly password reminders, having multiple accounts to manage subscriptions with different email addresses, no built-in archive searching, restrictions on naming lists in multiple domains, etc.
Lastly, the documentation for 3.0.x seems to be a good way at http://gnu-mailman.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ would be nicer if there was a way to generate .pdf from the content therein.
You can do it from the source tree. We build the docs with Sphinx and I believe it has a PDF option. We likely won't officially distribute PDFs.
Cheers, -Barry
-----Original Message----- From: Mailman-Developers [mailto:mailman-developers- bounces+brian=emwd.com@python.org] On Behalf Of Barry Warsaw Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 7:03 PM To: mailman-developers@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman 3.0 roadmap, feature-parity with mailman 2.x and documentation
On Apr 29, 2015, at 01:17 AM, shirish wrote:
"We aim to release Mailman 3.0rc1 in late April, 2015." - wiki entry
What would be nice is if there is some ETA as to when 3.0 will be released to the general public. Are there going to be another 2-3-4 RC releases before 3.0 is ready ?
Actually, we just released 3.0 today. :)
While this is good to know, is there a matrix of features somewhere which shows features of mailman 2.x vs mailman 3.0 . I am unable to find such a page in the wiki or perhaps I didn't search enough.
We don't really have this right now. I think we'll start to fill out the bug tracker with features or fixes that need to be forward ported to Mailman
Hi Barry:
Just to be clear, this is a stable fully working version of Mailman 3.0? I tried setting up Mailman 3 on a CentOS server about 2 weeks ago and had a number of issues including listinfo pages not working (404 errors), no clear directions on setting up users, various bugs such as internal server errors. The server admin that I had hired informed me there was a number of python related bugs and he felt Mailman 3 was not ready for production use.
I am ready to give this another try but I want to make sure that this version will be a full working version of Mailman 3.
Thanks, Brian
2015-04-29 18:03 GMT+03:00 Brian Carpenter <brian@emwd.com>:
Just to be clear, this is a stable fully working version of Mailman 3.0? I tried setting up Mailman 3 on a CentOS server about 2 weeks ago and had a number of issues including listinfo pages not working (404 errors), no clear directions on setting up users, various bugs such as internal server errors. The server admin that I had hired informed me there was a number of python related bugs and he felt Mailman 3 was not ready for production use.
I am ready to give this another try but I want to make sure that this version will be a full working version of Mailman 3.
I had similar experience a week ago (after PyCon sprint) and there were couple bugs in the installation process on Centos 7 including hard one with bad virtualenv version which is still not reflected in the installation manual: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/1445764/comments/19
I suppose anyone who try to install Mailman on Centos 7 will face this bug.
Danil
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