Re: [Mailman-Developers] weird... no dev mail anymore
On 24 Sep 2000 01:07:27 CEST Ricardo Kustner ricardo@rixhq.nu wrote:
I've been kinda busy lately so I didn't notice that I didn't receive any more posts from mailman-developers since september 1st... but I'm stilling getting mail from mailman-users... my listinfo page on python.org for mailman-developers tells me mail delivery is not turned off... that's odd...?
Check whether you receive two copies of this message (one from me and one from the list). If you do, everything is fine. If you don't, check your mail filters and upstream MTAs to see where it might be being lost (check the logs very carefully).
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Hi,
On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:56:31 -0700, J C Lawrence said:
I've been kinda busy lately so I didn't notice that I didn't receive any more posts from mailman-developers since september 1st... but I'm stilling getting mail from mailman-users... my listinfo page on python.org for mailman-developers tells me mail delivery is not turned off... that's odd...?
Check whether you receive two copies of this message (one from me and one from the list). If you do, everything is fine. If you don't, check your mail filters and upstream MTAs to see where it might be being lost (check the logs very carefully).
yes i received two copies... this has happened to me before, and everytime when i notice it, suddenly things start working again... this morning i got a bunch of messages from mailman-developers, starting at september 19th... i still miss the rest of the month though... When I check the headers, the message has been delivered to my upstream MTA (which I administer myself) this morning, even though it was send on sept 19th... for some reason, I seem to have a private queue on dinsdale.python.org :) This could be related to the fact that my ASDL connection has been having a bit of trouble lately (right, Thomas? ;-) ) as it runs the secondary DNS for rixhq.nu... though it's a bit weird that this doesn't happen with mailman-users, which is coming from the same python.org server....
*consufed* Ricardo.
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On Sun, Sep 24, 2000 at 11:54:41AM +0200, Ricardo Kustner wrote:
This could be related to the fact that my ASDL connection has been having a bit of trouble lately (right, Thomas? ;-) )
Argh, please ! ADSL has been one of my private nightmares in the last three months. There are so many things screwed with the way KPN set it up, and everyone at XS4ALL agrees -- but we can't drop the service, and we can't stop new applicants either, for a number of reasons (though I hear we got damned close to dropping the service again, last week!) I'm on vacation now, and I'm not worrying about ADSL anymore... so sssht ;-) If my boss hadn't agreed with every bit of my ADSL complaints, and given me good reasons to continue this way, I would probably have quit my job over it ;P
as it runs the secondary DNS for rixhq.nu... though it's a bit weird that this doesn't happen with mailman-users, which is coming from the same python.org server....
DNS, MX and unreliable connections don't mix very well. I can't say much about your primary MX, but your secondary sure has an unreliable connection :-) And you don't have a backup MX for rixhq.nu, which can really confuse Sendmail (and probably most SMTP servers that queue in the same way.) I can advise you to install a backup MX -- if you don't know any, use the XS4ALL ones:
rixhq.nu. IN MX 100 mx1.xs4all.nl. IN MX 100 mx2.xs4all.nl. IN MX 100 mx3.xs4all.nl. IN MX 100 mx4.xs4all.nl.
(Priority doesn't have to be 100, but they do all have to be the same.) If you want, we can even make it a form of batched-smtp, so that the queue gets resent whenever you re-login over your ADSL connection. (doesn't mean it gets resent after each outage, but at least each time you reconnect.)
For a set of protocols that were designed when unreliable networks were common, TCP/IP and SMTP sure screw up a lot ;-)
Thomas Wouters thomas@xs4all.net
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On Sun, Sep 24, 2000 at 01:59:08PM +0200, Thomas Wouters wrote:
DNS, MX and unreliable connections don't mix very well. I can't say much about your primary MX, but your secondary sure has an unreliable connection
Err, that should say 'your primary DNS'. The whole point of this posting is that you don't *have* a 'secondary' MX ;P
You-said-ADSL-and-I-saw-red-ly y'rs, ;)
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