Mailman 3.0 todo list
I've started a new "things left to do before Mailman 3 releases" list over at http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Mailman+3.0
Mostly this is so the next time someone asks me "So, when are you releasing?" I can at least say "We don't have a date yet, but here's the remaining todo list" but also because I think our wiki is rather information-poor on the subject of the current status of mailman 3 suite.
I've populated the list with some todos leftover from PyCon, but I only really pulled out the postorius ones. Barry, Aurelian, maybe you could populate the Mailman and Hyperkitty lists?
Terri
Terri Oda writes:
I've started a new "things left to do before Mailman 3 releases" list over at http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Mailman+3.0
Mostly this is so the next time someone asks me "So, when are you releasing?" I can at least say "We don't have a date yet, but here's the remaining todo list" but also because I think our wiki is rather information-poor on the subject of the current status of mailman 3 suite.
I've populated the list with some todos leftover from PyCon, but I only really pulled out the postorius ones. Barry, Aurelian, maybe you could populate the Mailman and Hyperkitty lists?
Good idea!
The only thing I can think of offhand for core is Exim support. (Sendmail support, I suppose, but nobody I know uses Sendmail, and I can't do it. Exim on the other hand is on my personal list.)
We should contact the GSoC students and ask them for suggestions. Of course, whether they are actually TODOs is to be decided by project leads. Do we have an RFE page that random wiki users could be allowed to add to?
Hi,
I was just about to ask about the status of Mailman 3. What I'm looking for is some idea of what it can do already. For example, it has all its features but needs to be administered from the command line, or it's missing important feature X, or it has everything but some switches can't be adjusted easily yet.
The reason why I'm asking is that I'm in need of some Mm3 features and was wondering if it was ready for limited deployment, and if so, what those limits currently are.
Thanks, Geoff.
Geoff Shang writes:
The reason why I'm asking is that I'm in need of some Mm3 features and was wondering if it was ready for limited deployment, and if so, what those limits currently are.
The list server is in beta, when combined with Postfix as the MTA. Interfaces to other MTAs have not yet been created yet.
The archiver and the web interface are at best early beta, but there are running prototypes. You can substitute a 3rd party service like mail-archive.com if that is satisfactory.
The User model remains somewhat incomplete. By that I mean that we don't have a successful integration of Mailman users with "enterprise" user databases. The linkage seems a bit ad hoc in the prototypes that GSoC students are working on.
There are no deployments I know of, although Barry may. (I'm leaving out people who are playing with betas; by "deployment" I mean "supporting real work".) The GSoC mentors and students are discussing setting one up that we can experiment either.
HTH
Steve
On 7/14/2013 9:21 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Terri Oda writes:
I've started a new "things left to do before Mailman 3 releases" list over at http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Mailman+3.0
Mostly this is so the next time someone asks me "So, when are you releasing?" I can at least say "We don't have a date yet, but here's the remaining todo list" but also because I think our wiki is rather information-poor on the subject of the current status of mailman 3 suite.
I've populated the list with some todos leftover from PyCon, but I only really pulled out the postorius ones. Barry, Aurelian, maybe you could populate the Mailman and Hyperkitty lists?
Good idea!
The only thing I can think of offhand for core is Exim support. (Sendmail support, I suppose, but nobody I know uses Sendmail, and I
Sendmail support would be nice.
can't do it. Exim on the other hand is on my personal list.)
We should contact the GSoC students and ask them for suggestions. Of course, whether they are actually TODOs is to be decided by project leads. Do we have an RFE page that random wiki users could be allowed to add to?
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On 13-07-15 8:28 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
There are no deployments I know of, although Barry may. (I'm leaving out people who are playing with betas; by "deployment" I mean "supporting real work".) The GSoC mentors and students are discussing setting one up that we can experiment either.
Postorius had a bug from someone running a 2000-person local music list on Mailman 3, so there's at least one fairly significant deployment that I know of.
The thing that usually stops people from trying the Mailman 3 suite out is that we have no upgrade path from mailman 2 to mailman 3 at the moment. I believe there's a conversion script for archives, but you'd have to write your own script to migrate users and list settings.
Terri
On Jul 14, 2013, at 03:52 PM, Terri Oda wrote:
I've started a new "things left to do before Mailman 3 releases" list over at http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Mailman+3.0
Thanks Terri. I'll spend some time pouring over that page w.r.t. the core, updating it, removing old to-do items, and filling in some details with my notes and tracker bugs. Anybody interested in following details should subscribe to that wiki page.
-Barry
On Jul 15, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
There are no deployments I know of, although Barry may. (I'm leaving out people who are playing with betas; by "deployment" I mean "supporting real work".) The GSoC mentors and students are discussing setting one up that we can experiment either.
Several months ago, I had a lot of discussions with someone who is using the core in their own project. I don't believe that work is public, so I'm not going to name the user, but it's different than the one Terri mentioned.
-Barry
On Jul 15, 2013, at 01:21 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
The only thing I can think of offhand for core is Exim support. (Sendmail support, I suppose, but nobody I know uses Sendmail, and I can't do it. Exim on the other hand is on my personal list.)
I'd very much love to have Exim and Sendmail support. If you're an expert in one of those MTAs, please help us by contributing code and documentation for integrating them. Based on the Postfix integration, I suspect it will be mostly documentation and integration with alias creation.
Integration is LMTP from MTA->MM3 and SMTP from MM3->MTA so I think there's probably little or nothing that has to happen at that level, except document how to set up your MTA to work properly. The most complicated part of the Postfix integration is making sure the aliases are set up correct so that when new mailing lists are added to MM3, the MTA recognizes them. That may require a bit of code, but I think the APIs are well documented.
I'd also like to see better PostgreSQL and or MySQL-family integration. SQLite is the default, and we have PostgreSQL support already, although a few tests fail with PG. I would welcome PG fixes, and additional support for any database that Storm supports. (Note that at some point we may ditch Storm for SQLAlchemy, but I don't think that will majorly affect the set of FLOSS supported databases).
-Barry
Barry Warsaw writes:
On Jul 15, 2013, at 01:21 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
The only thing I can think of offhand for core is Exim support. (Sendmail support, I suppose, but nobody I know uses Sendmail, and I can't do it. Exim on the other hand is on my personal list.)
I'd very much love to have Exim and Sendmail support. If you're an expert
I'm not an Exim expert, but "on my personal list means "I'm going to start working on it tomorrow [or a little later due to Terri's recent edict to GSoCers]". I'll be happy to compare notes or pair program or whatever floats boats with anybody else interested.
Steve
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