Mailman 3 October 2003 - Mailman-i18n

charset anoyance
by Santiago Garcia Mantinan 26 Dec '03

26 Dec '03

Hi! I'm sending this here because it is language related, sorry if this is not the list to post it. First I see that for the Spanish language we are having iso-8859-1 instead of iso-8859-15 which would allow us to use the euro symbol and all that. Second, I see an anoyance when running lists in a country that different language are used, or even with certain mailers alone, the problem is this: Suppose I have a list which default language is using charset iso-8859-1, then somebody comes and posts in iso-8859-15 and you get it all in three mime parts, one for the header, in iso-8859-1, one for the body in iso-8859-15 and then the footer in iso-8859-1 again. This seems quite anoying, at least when yo look at it. I was wondering if there is, or if it would make sense to add, something so that this doesn't happen. Also I see something that is for sure doable, and it is that when the same person writes with some mailers like mutt and doesn't use any 8 bits character, then the mailer would encode the text as us-ascii, which if I'm not wrong, should mix ok with iso-8859-1, I mean that the hole message could come as one using iso-8859-1, and that is not done right now. Well, just a couple of ideas, that's all. Regards... -- Manty/BestiaTester -> http://manty.net

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My Mailman occurs an ERROR, when i set the DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE to 'gb2312'
by ?? 30 Nov '03

30 Nov '03

Dear all! My Mailman occurs an ERROR, when i set the DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE to 'gb2312'. liuce(a)hcycom.com 2003-09-17

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Re: Re: [Mailman-i18n] Re:My Mailman occurs an ERRORwhen i set theDEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE to 'gb2312'
by 刘策 30 Nov '03

30 Nov '03

Barry Warsaw, I am HAPPY TO do this ! What can i do ? Translate all files in the folder message and template ? 　　 ======= 2003-09-22 18:47:00 ======= >On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 04:19, 刘策 wrote: >> Hello,Tokio Kikuchi！ >> Thank you again. >> I set DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE='gb', and then all be ok. > >I get the feeling that Mailman's Chinese support isn't very good. Would >you guys help me improve things for Mailman 2.1.4? > >-Barry > > > >. -liuce

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i found some bugs
by 刘策 30 Nov '03

30 Nov '03

mailman-i18n，您好！ In the file $mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py , the __doc__ is """Outgoing queue runner.""". IS the __doc__ """Arch queue runner"""? When a mail with a attachment, and the attachment name is encoding by base64, mailman can't generate a right link to this attachment in the page in Archives. 　　　　　　　　　　致礼！　　　　　　　　　　　　　　刘策　　　　　　　　　　　　　　liuce(a)hcycom.com 　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　2003-10-15 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = 北京华晨阳通信技术有限责任公司 Beijing HCYCOM Communication Technologies Co.,LTD. 地址: 北京市海淀区塔院朗秋园甲8号邮编: 100083 电话: (010) 62018037―1024 手机：13693502171 E-mail: liuce(a)hcycom.com 网址: www.hcycom.com

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CVS checkout...
by Anders Norrbring 28 Oct '03

28 Oct '03

Hiya all! I'm trying to get started in the translation work for Swedish, but I'm not too friendly with the CVS system... I use TortoiseCVS for Windows to check out files, and I wonder HOW DO I DO...? To just check out the latest files? There are several branches in the CVS tree, but I can't see the use of downloading them all, just the latest versions, both production and developing versions. Later, Anders Norrbring

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Croatian translation
by Nino Katic 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

Hi, I'm almost finish with croatian translation (without unix scripts translations) but i'm having some troubles making it work. I tried msgfmt the croatian.po file and it was processed normally, without errors, creating the proper mailman.mo file. I also added add_language line to the Defaults.py, but when I chose Croatian language for default (from the web page interface) I still got those pages in english? So, what's wrong here? I did everything like in README-I18N.txt Regards, Nino

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Should we join the Translation Project?
by Barry Warsaw 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

One of the biggest pains for me lately has been managing the .po file catalogs across the HEAD and the 2.1-maint branch. Don't get me wrong, you guys have done a superb job of managing the i18n stuff, and you have definitely helped make my life easier, but it seems that the po files, the templates, and cvs just don't mix well. Things are going to get worse as the head diverges from the 2.1-maint branch. This is going to start happening soon as I start to work on Mailman 2.2. We had talked before about moving Mailman's i18n work to the Translation Project[1], and I think now's the perfect time to revisit that. I don't have any direct experience with TP, so first, I'm wondering who out there has, and what you think about it. My impressions from reading the site are that, while incomplete in some ways, it provides some useful facilities that will help separate the concerns of translators and Mailman developers. The major trade-off appears to be that you translators will lose a bit of independence, since you'll be working within the umbrella of TP language teams. What you gain for that is hopefully more help from other members of your language team. I'm pretty sure you can still concentrate your volunteer efforts on translating Mailman though. The alternative for going to TP would be for me to pull the messages subdir out of the top-level directory, and manage that outside of any CVS branches. It would take a little bit of cvs weaving to get a source build of Mailman from CVS, but I don't think that would be too painful. Note that I'm already planning on doing some CVS reorganization in preparation for 2.2 (more on that to the -developers list later). The other i18n change I'm planning is to adopt ZPT for the templates. I think we don't have to wait for MM3.0 for that, and it will have many great advantages. For i18n, the major advantages is that it means you will no longer have to translate whole templates -- we can mark translatable strings in the ZPT, and extract them to the .pot file, so there's only one set of texts you need to translate. Thoughts? It seems relatively easy to register with TP, and start working with them, and if you all are generally in favor of this, I'd like to do it sooner rather than later. -Barry [1] http://www2.iro.umontreal.ca/~gnutra/po/HTML/

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catalan translatino
by Robert Garrig�s 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

We have the .po file already translated into catalan and one of the testers is asking me whether that file contains the text for the mails mailman sends and the html templates text. Checking the mailman files, I can see these files: admindbdetails.html admindbpreamble.html admindbsummary.html adminsubscribeack.txt adminunsubscribeack.txt emptyarchive.html Do we need to translate those files as well? Thanks. Robert Garrigos

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Re: Re: [Mailman-i18n] Esperanto translation
by Sergey Tyrin 12 Oct '03

12 Oct '03

Is there any possible place where we could test the translation as it progresses? Maybe you can set up something temporary at your place, Barry? I' ve talked to the hosting company who I'm paying for webspace, but they told me it's impossible to arrange that kind of testing, because it invloves root access...

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Re: Re: [Mailman-i18n] Esperanto translation
by Sergey Tyrin 11 Oct '03

11 Oct '03

Simone Piunno wrote: > > Is there any possible place where we could test the translation as it > > progresses? Maybe you can set up something temporary at your place, Barry? > > I believe the best you can do is... to install it on your own PC! I am in an urge need of the instructions, how the hell one can tweak the Windows station to be able to run Mailman and *nix commands!

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