Mailman 3 April 2006 - Mailman-i18n

Bahasa Indonesia
by Emil Djagoredo 16 Jun '06

16 Jun '06

Dear all, is there any working to translate the mailman doc's in Bahasa Indonesia thank's. Emil Djagoredo

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Re: [Mailman-i18n] RTL (was: Re: Hebrew translation)
by Clytie Siddall 02 May '06

02 May '06

Cc also to mailman-i18n, since this is an i18n issue which will affect other languages we don't yet have. For example, if someone comes along later and wants to translate into another RTL language, this discussion will be in the archives. However, I would be keen to document RTL capability in the wiki, once we have it. :) On 25/04/2006, at 6:13 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> Barry, does Mailman support languages written from right to left >> (RTL) ? > > To be honest, I don't know! We'll have to try it and then fix > anything > we find broken. It might be best to experiment on the 2.2 trunk > first, > but if the changes are minimal, then we can pull the Hebrew > translation > into the 2.1 branch. What would be the best way to test if it exists, Barry? Do you want Tzipi to complete the whole mailman.po file first, then submit it so it can be tested in the interface? If so, would you have time to build Mailman with that file, and put it up online, so Tzipi can look at the interface and say if his strings are displaying correctly or not? (We could even do this earlier, with a partly-completed file.) We don't need to worry about the templates separately, since in trunk they're integrated into the mailman.po file. (Good news for current Mailman translators. ;) "Trunk" is the section of Mailman that will develop into an upcoming version: Mailman 2.2? This nomenclature is easier to remember if you think of all the energy going into growing the trunk of the tree, so it can produce strong new branches [versions]. ;) ) Tzipi, we will need the advice of at least one very experienced open- source Hebrew translator. Have you been in touch with Eli at the Translation Project yet? Please ask him for advice on any issues we may encounter in testing or adapting Mailman for RTL. This can save a lot of extra work, since I know myself that there are issues specific to each language, which the more experienced translators have already encountered, and about which they can offer very useful advice, and often specific workarounds. Tzipi, once you have read our Internationalization page and howto (the links I've already sent you) you can certainly start working on the mailman.po file (the interface file). We can't test anything until we have some Hebrew text in Mailman! :) *** However, there is one small change to the Howto: you need to download the Mailman 2.2, not the current branch (2.1.8). *** If you have any further questions or problems, after reading our current Internationalization documentation, please ask. :) from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhóm Việt hóa phần mềm tự do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN

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Problems with Vietnamese translation
by Mark Sapiro 30 Apr '06

30 Apr '06

I have just done a 'clean' configure and make install from the currend subversion trunk. I see the following issues: There is a templates/vi directory in the trunk. It is empty, but it really shouldn't be there at all. More importantly, po2templ.py didn't create any templates in templates/vi. This appears to be because in messages/vi/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po, the magic #: templates/en/filename:1 headers are missing the ' ' between '#:' and 'templates'. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro(a)value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Re: [Mailman-i18n] RTL (was: Re: Hebrew translation)
by Clytie Siddall 26 Apr '06

26 Apr '06

Hello Simcha, thankyou for joining the discussion. :) On 25/04/2006, at 12:11 PM, Rabbi Simcha Backman wrote: > > "Tzipy" is a female - I saw she was referred to as a "his". Tzipy > is a > nickname for the Biblical name "Ziporah". It's a lovely name. I should know better, since I'm female myself, but with the female participation in open-source at an all-time high of 1.5%, one tends to assume "male". Sorry, Tzipi ! :) > > Anyway...now that we cleared that up - how can I help? Is there > any segment > that you would like me to help out with? My offer to assist with > the Hebrew > translation still stands as I would like to implement mailman for > Hebrew as > well. Simcha, you speak as though you have mentioned translating Mailman into Hebrew before: I haven't been on the Mailman list long, so I'm sorry if I have missed your posts. Tzipi has just arrived, and offered to translate Mailman into Hebrew. She then asked (of course!) if we had RTL support, and that's what we've been discussing. I'm concerned that all the new information she's expected to take in, as a first-time Mailman translator and (I think) a first-time translator in other ways, plus the RTL testing, may have intimidated her. I hope not. If you could support her in this translation, work together, that would be great. :)) I will also send Tzipi an invitation to a small i18n-mentor group for women translators, where we are trying to encourage more participation. She may find that helpful. (Tzipi, are you still there? :) ) from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhóm Việt hóa phần mềm tự do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN

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Another Vietnamese translation issue
by Mark Sapiro 25 Apr '06

25 Apr '06

There is no entry for Vietnamese in the add_languages() statements in Defaults.py.in in the Release_2_1-maint branch or in the LANGUAGE_DICT entries in Defaults.py.in in the trunk. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro(a)value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Re: [Mailman-i18n] Hebrew translation
by Tzipi Katz 24 Apr '06

24 Apr '06

I understend there isn't one. Do you know if there is a way to work rtl with mailman? Tzipi ----- Original Message ----- From: Tzipi Katz To: mailman-i18n(a)python.org Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 1:36 PM Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Hebrew translation Hello Das someone know about Hebrew translation that already exist? Tanks Tzipi Katz _______________________________________________ Mailman-i18n mailing list Posts: Mailman-i18n(a)python.org Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-i18n/d.terweij%40nettunin g.net

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Hebrew translation
by Tzipi Katz 23 Apr '06

23 Apr '06

Hello Das someone know about Hebrew translation that already exist? Tanks Tzipi Katz

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Bulgarian translation effort continues
by Alexander Shopov 21 Apr '06

21 Apr '06

Hi, Just wanted to inform that the Bulgarian translation effort continues. I have translated the templates and I am somewhere in the 15% of the po-file. Kind regards: al_shopov

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Mailman Language Champions
by Clytie Siddall 20 Apr '06

20 Apr '06

Hello everybody :) The Mailman wiki is looking great, and we have our own Internationalization [1] page! Please have a look, and while you're there, register with the wiki and contribute your own ideas and experience. ;) We also have our own HowTo [2], and the Internationalization page from the website has been ported [3] to the wiki. This includes the table of supported languages and Mailman Language Champions. We've made a separate column for additional information, so if you have a website or mailing-list link you'd like included, please add it [4]. Please check the Language Champions table, and make sure the information is up-to-date. If not, please edit it. (If for some reason editing the wiki is awkward for you, you can send the information to me, and I will edit the page accordingly. But the wiki is very easy to use.) This is a good opportunity to make sure all our information is up-to- date. I'd also like to suggest that on the Supported Languages table, we really only need one contact person per language. That language is welcome to include a link to its own page, which would list everyone contributing to that translation, but I don't think we really need more than one name per language on the table. Our Mailman developers will probably keep at least one backup contact per language, but for the public table, I think we only need one name per language, which would make the table much easier to scan for information. Currently, some sections are very crowded, and its not as easy to run your eye through the information and quickly find what you want, as it would be with one name per section. What do others think about this? Would it be OK to go ahead and display one contact name for each language? If so, please edit the table yourself, for your language, or send that information to me. The information sent could be as simple as "Use Pablo for Spanish", if Pablo's details are already in the table, or it could be the language name, contact name and contact email address for someone not yet there. I look forward to seeing your contributions in the wiki. :) from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhóm Việt hóa phần mềm tự do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN [1] http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Internationalization [2] http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/i18nhowto [3] http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Languages [4] Syntax: [name|link] for http, and [name|mailto:email address] for email addresses

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Dutch Translation
by Ace Suares 20 Apr '06

20 Apr '06

Hi All, It is my pleasure to announce that the Dutch translation has a new 'Champion': Jan Veuger. The previous Champion, Danny Terweij, has released the translation to Jan Veuger and I want to thank Danny 1000x for all his work. At the moment we have a .po for 2.1.5 and I am now in the process of trying to convert it for use in 2.1.8 and future releases. I could use some help with that, but I'll try to follow the instructions that where recently sent to this list and I'll browse the wiki. I am Ace Suares, and I am doing the technical part of the work. Jan Veuger is the translator, you'll find his emailadress on the Wiki: http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Languages All comments about the translation should go to Jan. We are looking forward to work with you and contribute to the software we have been using for many years! Ace -- all my objects are disoriented Suares & Co, Open Source Solutions mail: Sans Souci #11, Willemstad, Curacao (NA) phone: +599 786 23 73 fax: +31 848 707 705 web: http://www.suares.an email: ace(a)suares.an

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