dear barry and friends. we are in indonesia had a commit to not using yahoogroups any more if we want to make a mailing list, we are now have own server mailing list with mailman on it. several mailing list in yahoogroups have been migrate into groups.or.id (our mailing list server) please whether if you want to check it, we are now have over 500 mailing list .... please check this : http://groups.or.id/mailman/listinfo and one thing that we are in indonesia want to develope mailman, we want mailman is easy to use and create mailing list like yahoogroups one... but we still need donation for our server, because our server is from cherity, my friend's and my teacher onno w purbo (onno@indo.net.id) has 'provocate' all indonesian people to use our own server wether use yahoogroups.com barvo mailman, Regards, M Syafii http://sapitenk.cjb.net =========================================================================================== "Ada yang baru di www.sekolah-online.net" buat kalian yang lagi siap-siap test masuk perguruan tinggi, silahkan coba latihan try out online di www.sekolah-online.net/tryout. Buktikan kalo kalian emang udah siap masuk perguruan tinggi. Ada bank soalnya juga lho...! so, tunggu apa lagi, just click and do it... "hanya bisa diakses dari Telkomnet Instan,Telkomnet ISDN, dan ASTINet" ===========================================================================================