[Pootle] Web UI for translation
To: Cristóbal, Mailman-i18n ____________________________ Hi everyone :) Yes, the Mailman project is currently testing a Web distributed- translation interface: Pootle. You may well have encountered Pootle in other projects: it's a big help. You can choose to translate online, offline or a combination of both, but it means all your files are current and available on the Web. Pootle has a number of built-in tools which streamline the l10n workflow. Cristóbal has been doing all the work, and I have been heckling, er, helping him. ;) On 23/06/2008, at 6:53 PM, Cristóbal Palmer wrote:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 05:31:22PM +0930, Clytie Siddall wrote:
Would you please create a "Mailman" project, then upload the current PO files (or just a couple of different languages, including vi.po, if you don't want to upload them all)?
I uploaded a few for testing. You can go here:
http://garp.metalab.unc.edu:8080/projects/mailman/admin.html
[Note: this is a _temporary_ address. Translators, please don't register or login yet. This address will change.]
to add a language and from there upload more files yourself.
It looks good! :)
For example, Mailman uses git: Pootle syncs with git, but you will want to test that.
Do I have to install a plugin or somesuch? I thought mailman (as a project) used bzr?
My mistake: I've confused you with another project. Mailman was the reason I requested Pootle support _bzr_. And it does. Pootle supports quite a few source-control systems now.
Later on, you may want to create separate projects for different parts of Mailman, e.g.
Mailman TRUNK Mailman STABLE Mailman (branch) Mailman website Mailman wiki
You may even want to split the very large Mailman PO file into several pieces within each project. That will attract more participation.
I went ahead and started with a "mailman trunk" project and pulled the few .po files from the sourceforge repo here:
https://mailman.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/mailman
Please let me know if that's wrong. Let me know what our next step in this process is. At some point maybe this discussion should move to mailman-i18n instead of CC-ing Barry constantly?
That's a good idea. I've copied this mail to mailman-i18n. The Mailman TRUNK project looks fine. I would suggest simply uploading the mailman.po file: there's no need to include the LC_MESSAGES directory. That would just mean an extra step each time anyone wanted to edit the file. I also think we should split the mailman.po file into several smaller files. People are more likely to spend their half-hour or hour of spare time working on a smaller file, because they can see the effect. Working on a smaller file shows more success. It's finishing files and seeing those green bars that gives you a good feeling, not completing only part of a large file. (This situation has come up in other projects, as well.) I tried Updating the file from SVN, but it timed out. I expect you haven't set that part up yet. Also, it's not really useful to test with SVN if we're going to be using bzr. I suggest you delete the current file and upload again from bzr, the latest po files, if possible. It's always more useful to test with current files. Keep up the good work! A couple more steps, and we'll have a working Pootle server! :D from Clytie Vietnamese Free Software Translation Team http://vnoss.net/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=projects:l10n
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 03:29:27PM +0930, Clytie Siddall wrote:
Cristóbal has been doing all the work, and I have been heckling, er, helping him. ;)
"work" ... more like stumbling. My latest trouble is that I seem to not have the bzr integration not done right. Pootle saw the SVN checkout I did just fine, but the sourceforge repository is now outdated, so I went with this: root@garp:/var/lib/pootle# bzr branch lp:mailman/stable mailman but now pootle doesn't see any of the .po files. Perhaps it's because I need to check out just messages/ and not the whole branch? I couldn't find any terribly helpful hints here: http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/version_control I may have to go pester people on the pootle mailing list; first I'm going to see if there's something I've missed bzr-wise. In any event, the pootle instance I had set up is currently broken (sorry). I'll post back here when it's in good shape again and ready for people to have a whack at it. Cheers, -- Cristóbal Palmer ibiblio.org systems administrator
On 24/06/2008, at 5:47 PM, Cristóbal Palmer wrote:
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 03:29:27PM +0930, Clytie Siddall wrote:
Cristóbal has been doing all the work, and I have been heckling, er, helping him. ;)
"work" ... more like stumbling. My latest trouble is that I seem to not have the bzr integration not done right. Pootle saw the SVN checkout I did just fine, but the sourceforge repository is now outdated, so I went with this:
root@garp:/var/lib/pootle# bzr branch lp:mailman/stable mailman
but now pootle doesn't see any of the .po files. Perhaps it's because I need to check out just messages/ and not the whole branch?
It could be that. Perhaps we need to checkout the whole branch, then delete the enclosing directories.
I couldn't find any terribly helpful hints here:
http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/version_control
I don't think anyone has discussed the bzr sync on the Pootle list for a while. This is a good opportunity. :)
I may have to go pester people on the pootle mailing list; first I'm going to see if there's something I've missed bzr-wise. In any event, the pootle instance I had set up is currently broken (sorry). I'll post back here when it's in good shape again and ready for people to have a whack at it.
This is standard for a testing phase. So, Mailman translators, please view this as keeping you informed. When we do have a server ready for you to use, we'll definitely say so. ;) from Clytie Vietnamese Free Software Translation Team http://vnoss.net/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=projects:l10n
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